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The document discusses questions regarding synchronous generators and their operation. It provides explanations for various concepts such as: - The rated line-to-line terminal voltage of a generator refers to its nominal voltage, not necessarily its operating voltage. - A generator's terminal voltage can exceed its rated voltage if it is overexcited or operating alone. - The power factor angle refers to the phase angle between the load voltage and current, while the power/torque angle refers to the phase angle between the terminal voltage and internal EMF. - The field current controls the generator's reactive power output by varying the internal EMF. Real power is controlled by mechanical input, which must match the electrical load to maintain frequency

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QA On Sync Gen1

The document discusses questions regarding synchronous generators and their operation. It provides explanations for various concepts such as: - The rated line-to-line terminal voltage of a generator refers to its nominal voltage, not necessarily its operating voltage. - A generator's terminal voltage can exceed its rated voltage if it is overexcited or operating alone. - The power factor angle refers to the phase angle between the load voltage and current, while the power/torque angle refers to the phase angle between the terminal voltage and internal EMF. - The field current controls the generator's reactive power output by varying the internal EMF. Real power is controlled by mechanical input, which must match the electrical load to maintain frequency

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Updated 26 Sep 2017

If the generator is, for example, stated as 50 MVA, 12 kV and X = 0.08, does the 12 kV
tell you the terminal voltage of the generator.
The 12 kV value tells you the rated line-to-line terminal voltage of the generator. It does
not, however, imply that the operating voltage is 12 kV unless the question says that it
operates at rated voltage

In the calculation of the per unit system, we are always asked to calculate the terminal
voltage of the generator after obtaining the V pu and I pu of the load. And it's always the
case that we will get the terminal voltage value above 12 kV such as 15 kV at the
terminal of generator.
Yes, it is possible that generator terminal voltage may exceed the rated value. However,
you should know that the terminal voltage may also fall below 12 kV.

Why is it the case?


If the generator is operating alone and overexcited, you may get a terminal voltage higher
than 12 kV. Other operating scenarios with a generator terminal voltage exceeding 12
kV are possible too.

T3, Q3 (b) (ii) : In order to find the reactive power, I need to work out the current passing
thru the passing thru the jX(tr). So I apply the equation:

E(2) = I(2)*(jX(tr) + jX(s)) + V


I(2) = (E(2) - V)/(jX(tr) + jX(s))
=> I(2) = (1.0776<48.4deg - 1<0deg)/1.51<90deg
and my I(2) works out to be 0.566<-160deg but the actual value is 0.566<19.49deg
I(2) = (1.0776<48.4deg - 1<0deg)/1.51<90deg
= [(0.71544 + j0.8058) – 1]/1.51<90deg
= [-0.284553 + j0.8058]/1.51<90deg
= 0.8548<109.45deg/1.51<90deg
= 0.566<19.45deg

P61 under Synchronous Machine: What is the main difference between "theta"(power
factor angle- pg 4) and power or torque angle of the machine?
The power factor (pf) angle, theta, is the phase angle between the load voltage and load
current. It can have a value from 0 to 1 and cannot become a negative value. A zero pf
value means the load is purely reactive (can be purely inductive, lagging pf or purely
capacitive, leading pf). A unity pf value means that the load is purely resistive. A
lagging pf load (1> pf > 0) means that the load current is lagging the load voltage. This
means that the load has a combination of R and X. Likewise, a leading pf load (1> pf >
0) means that the load has a combination of R and C.

The power angle (delta) is the phase angle between the terminal voltage and internal
induced emf. It is also the torque angle (also represented as delta) between the rotor and
stator magnetic fields used in the torque generation and calculation. In our treatment of

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synchronous generators, we are not so much concerned with the torque generation as we
are more interested in the electric power generation. The torque equation has never been
brought out for discussion. This is usually discussed when the synchronous machine
operates as a motor.

P60 under synchronous machine: From the equivalent circuit, can I say that Xs is always
positive (jXs) regardless lagging load or leading load?
Yes, it is always positive.

In the lecture notes, the flux= Mf*If*sin(wt), what's the Mf mentioned?


Mf is the mutual inductance between the rotor field winding and the stator field winding.

In the synchronous generator part, it is mentioned that the real power is controlled by the
mechanical power input. However the reactive power is determined by If. How would
you explain it?
Yes, Pmech = Pelec (assume lossless conversion) since electrical power is obtained by
converting the mechanical power (torque) driving the steam turbine. This mechanical
power needs to overcome the increase in counter electromagnetic torque in the
synchronous generator due to load increase (electrical power output). Hence, if you
want to reduce the mechanical power input, you must reduce the electrical power output
first. Otherwise, the speed of the synchronous generator or frequency will drop. In
actual operation, if the electrical load continues to increase, then the governor will ensure
that the steam valve is opened wider to stabilize the speed (frequency) after a small time
delay.

The field current (If) controls the magnitude of the internal generated voltage E. If you
increase If, E will increase such that E is greater than V, then the reactive power is likely
to flow from the synchronous generator to the load. Conversely, if you decrease If, E
will decrease such that E is less than V, then the reactive power is likely to flow from the
load to the synchronous generator.

What are the factors that affect the power angle in synchronous generator (excitation
control)?
The factors that affect the power angle are:
a) Change in real power consumption by the load: An increase in Pload increases the
power angle in the synchronous generator. Conversely, a decrease in Pload reduces the
power angle. We assume that the field excitation and terminal voltage did not change.
b) If you assume that the Pload and terminal voltage are constant, then an increase in
filed current (If) will result in an increase in the internal generated EMF. This will then
result in a decrease in power angle since E1*sin delta1 = E2*sin delta2. Conversely, a
decrease in field current will result in a decrease in E and hence an increase in power
angle.

What are the factors that affect the power factor in synchronous generator (excitation
control)?

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The factors that affect the power angle are:
a) Change in the real and/or reactive power consumption by the load: An increase in
Pload will result in an improvement in the power factor angle, i.e. smaller pf angle.
We assume that Qload did not change. Likewise, an increase in Qload will result in a
poorer pf angle, i.e. bigger pf angle. In the latter case, we assume that Pload did not
change.
b) If you assume that the Pload and terminal voltage are constant, then an increase in
filed current (If) will result in an increase in internal generated EMF. This will then
result in a decrease in pf angle (better pf) if you had a leading load before.
Otherwise, this will result in an increase in the pf angle (poorer pf) if you had a
lagging load before.

For the lecture notes P82, review exercise10.2, I'm converting P and Q to p.u. value then
set up the 2 simultaneous equations (P=VEsin(power angle)/X and Q=VEcos(power
angle)-V^2/X) to solve for X and power angle. Is this method correct? Because the
answer I got is a bit different from the given ans. (My answers: E=1.04pu, V=1pu,
P=0.97pu, Q=0.2425pu)
This could be one of the possible solution techniques. You said that your answer is a bit
off. I assume that it is small like what we usually observe in round-off errors. If this is
the case, then I think it should be fine. Going through the equations and numbers that
you sent me, I notice that you forgot to divide the first term VEcos(power angle)
of Q=VEcos(power angle)-V^2/X) by X. Your E has a bit of round-off errors. You
should keep more significant digits such as E = 1.04348. Also, in solving the above
equation, you should use the following relationship, cos^2(power angle) + sin^2(power
angle) = 1 to get rid of the power angle. You would then solve the quadratic equation
involving X only.

Exercise 11 Part c: To find the power angle, do we use Ia[cos(theta)] proportionate to


sin(power angle)? If so, how to we find the Ia (armature current) in part c of the question?
If not, how do we solve this question?
You need to draw out the phasor diagram of this problem. You will see that the angle
opposite E (or the angle between the V and IX phasors is 90+ 31.78 degrees). The phaosr
diagram has a triangle that starts from the V phasor (at 0 degree reference). It then goes
through the jIX phasor (voltage drop across the synchronous reactance) and finally closes
the triangle with the E phasor.

The Cosine formula is c**2 = a**2 + b**2 – 2 * a * b cos theta

c = E, a = V and b = I*X and theta = 90 + 31.78 degrees. The angle is more than 90
degrees because we have lagging current (pf = 0.85). Using the cosine formula, we have,

E**2 = V**2 + (IX)**2 + V*(IX) Cos (90 + 31.78)


E = 2.00909 (from previous part), V = 1, Arc Cos .85 = 31.78 deg

The unknown is (IX). You will get IX = 1.29364. From here I = 1.29364/1.7 (because X
= 1.7). Next, I will use the Sine formula to solve for the delta angle:

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IX/Sin delta = E/Sin 121.78

Delta is the only unknown and hence it can be solved.

Another question is Tutorial3 Q3.3 (b) (ii) (iii). The given answer is using S=VI* to
calculate the reactive power. But if I'm using Q=VE[cos(power angle)-V^2]/X,I cannot
get the answer. For Qg, I have Qg=V2E2cos(power angle2)-V2^2/X)=(0.9892x1.2x
0.8974xcos48.46/1.45-0.9898^2/1.45)=-0.1877pu (the given answer is -0.1697pu).
Your power angle is incorrect. The power angle for use in Qg should be the difference
between the power angle2 and the V2 phase angle, i.e. 48.46 deg – 1.854 deg = 46.606
deg. The reason is because 48.46 deg is meant for power transfer to V, the infinite bus
and not V2, the generator bus terminal.

and Qload=VE2cos(power angle2)/(Xs+Xtr)-V^2/(Xs+Xtr)=-0.1893pu(given ans is -


0.1887pu).
The answer is acceptable and the concept for this part is correct.

Why is that so? Is this method wrong?


Please see the explanation given above.

In general, for generator connecting in parallel, is it acceptable to generate MW beyond


the total system loads, i.e. Pload < PG1 + PG2? My guess is ‘no’.
In our analysis of parallel operation of generators, we assume that there are no losses
when MW is transferred from generators to loads. Your guess is correct. It is not
possible to have total generation > Pload under steady-state condition.

You could have generation < Pload slightly for a couple seconds but the system
frequency will fall below 50Hz. After the governors have acted on it, the throttle/valve
openings will be adjusted (will open wider) and the system frequency will be brought
back to its normal value of 50 Hz.

I have some problem in one of the practice exercises in EE3015 lecture notes on
Synchronous Machines. (p 99, Exercise 15.) Can you enlighten me on the approach?
You need to make use of the fact that each generator supplies full load of 30 MW at 50
Hz. This means that fsys = 50 Hz and PG1 = PG2 = 30 MW. From here, you substitute
them back into PG1 = 20 (fnl1 – fsys) to obtain fnl1. Likewise, do the same for G2 and
you obtain fnl2. After that you need to set up another system equation of PL = 38 MW =
PG1 + PG2 and solve for the new fsys using fnl1 and fnl2 that you have obtained earlier.

I have tried solving the above using the actual values. I am unable to get the correct
answer for the armature current. Attached is the solution of my working steps. Could
you point out my mistake?

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You made a small mistake in your last step of Ia calculation. You forgot SQRT(3) in
your 3-phase complex power equation. SQRT(3) is needed when you engage actual line
voltage and line current in your S formula, i.e. S = SQRT(3) x Vl and Ia*.

If you use phase voltage and phase current (= line current for Y), then you need to
multiply (Vp x Ia) by 3.

S = 3 x Vp x Ia*

Vp = 10 kV.

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I'm able to solve Oasis Q43 but I can't get the Oasis Q42 correct after trying multiple
times with different values.

This problem assumes that Ra is not equal to zero. You cannot use the two equations in
the middle of slide 47 of your lecture notes as they were derived for Ra = 0. Instead, you
must use the first two equations of slide 47. The first two equations of slide 47 are
reproduced below. Notice that Z which includes both Ra and Xs is used in (1) and (2) and
not Xs alone.

VE V2
P cos(   )  cos  (1)
Z Z
VE V2
Q sin(   )  sin  (2)
Z Z

As α is determined by Ra and Xs, α is a known value. The power angle, δ, can vary
according to different load conditions. If you wish to find Pmax, you can obtain its
expression by taking dP/d = 0. Likewise for Qmax, you set dQ/d = 0. If you perform the
derivative calcula on (1) and (2), you will get  =  when dP/d = 0 and  =  - /2 when
dQ/d = 0. If you substitute them in (1) and (2) above, you will get:

VE V 2
Pmax   cos  (3)
Z Z
VE V 2
Qmax   sin  (4)
Z Z

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