Property talk:P102

Value type “political party (Q7278), political movement (Q2738074), political faction (Q1393724), political organization (Q7210356), political coalition (Q6138528), Ticket (election) (Q15145017)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value political party (Q7278), political movement (Q2738074), political faction (Q1393724), political organization (Q7210356), political coalition (Q6138528), Ticket (election) (Q15145017) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: independent politician (Q327591), Moderately wild (Q108546388), no label (Q111478524), leftist socialist savage (Q111283538), communist savage (Q111382125), no label (Q111476658), individual applicant (Q1309957), politician before the emergence of political parties (Q113264255)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P102#Value type Q7278, Q2738074, Q1393724, Q7210356, Q6138528, Q15145017, SPARQL

Type “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074), straw poll (Q2354171)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074), straw poll (Q2354171)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P102#Type Q5, Q95074, Q2354171, SPARQL

Qualifiers “start time (P580), end time (P582), point in time (P585), latest date (P1326), earliest date (P1319), subject has role (P2868), end cause (P1534), quotation (P1683), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), latest start date (P8555), earliest end date (P8554), statement is subject of (P805), object named as (P1932), subject named as (P1810), membership number (P11327), date of application (P12413)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P102#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL

Citation needed: the property must have at least one reference (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: independent politician (Q327591), politician before the emergence of political parties (Q113264255)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P102#citation needed

Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (member of political party (P102)) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P102#Contemporary, SPARQL

None of nonpartisanism (Q7049542), independent voter (Q11567308): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P102#none of, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P102#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448), as qualifier (Q54828449): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P102#Scope, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Value All-Union Leninist Young Communist League (Q166073) will be automatically replaced to value All-Union Leninist Young Communist League (Q166073) and moved to member of (P463) property.
Testing: TODO list

Value Unified Socialist Youth (Q6744838) will be automatically replaced to value Unified Socialist Youth (Q6744838) and moved to member of (P463) property.
Testing: TODO list

This property is being used by:

Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Archived creation discussion

member of political party

Would not include 'Republican' if they support Republican ideas, must be affiliated with the actual party. The party they voted for is also insufficient.Macadamia1472 (talk) 08:56, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

- I've modified the title to "member of political party". I would suggest that this be narrowed to something like "for politicians and people notable for their contributions in the political/governmental sphere only; must be confirmed, not suspected". I'd Support something like that. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:36, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Support (and agree with Sven). SPQRobin (talk) 23:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - I went ahead and created Property:P102 with the description "the political party this politician is currently a member of" to start with. "Currently": another issue is namely that politicians can switch party (this happens relatively often in my country). SPQRobin (talk) 23:13, 7 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - We don't need to restrict it based on time, once qualifiers come on line, we'll be able to give the date range, I think. Honestly, I think that the development team made a colossal mistake in releasing only part of Phase II. Sven Manguard Wha? 08:16, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - Yeah, agree, I changed it to "is or has been a member of" awaiting qualifiers. The label in German already had similar wording. SPQRobin(talk) 23:14, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Why do we need a special property for party affiliation? Wouldn't a generic "is member of" property be sufficient? -- Duesentrieb (talk) 13:37, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I think there should be a property for party activists, not simple members or supporters. --NaBUru38 (talk) 21:27, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Currently?

The English description says "currently member of". Isn't it like the deleted property "former member of a sport team", deleted because it's not right to talk about the "time" of the property? --Viscontino (talk) 10:42, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I think the property should be applied to former members.--Stevenliuyi (talk) 11:13, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Note on Usage

Persons who are not a member of any political party should use the "no value" as the value of this property. The period of party membership should be noted with qualifiers start time (P580) and end time (P582). --Wylve (talk) 10:55, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Depending on the country, for politicians actually running for office, using an item for independent might work better.
--- Jura 08:46, 30 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Use as member of parliamentary group

For your information: In the discussion of the proposed property parliamentary group there is talk about changing member of political party (P102) so it can also include parliamentary groups which are not parties when used as a qualifier to position held (P39). You are invited to comment if you have an opinion about this. Best regards, Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 09:57, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Start time

How do you determine when someone becomes a member of a political party? That would require access to voter registration records. --RAN (talk) 18:27, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This seems like a very difficult property to consistently be able to include, and I think it should be removed as a mandatory constraint. Becoming a member of a political party is not typically a formal event with a precise start date. In countries where you select a party when you register to vote, you could say it's the date you registered to vote that you joined that party. However, voter registration information is rarely public, and even if it was, including that date would be misleading, because membership in a political party is typically about what a person believes rather than who they're registered to vote for. Many people have been active in their political party since before they were old enough to vote; some people have temporarily changed their voter registration to strategically vote in another party's primary elections, etc. Sometimes we may have a precise date for when a person's party affiliation began (i.e. if the person publicly announces it), but these are the exceptional cases, not the norm. I don't think it makes any sense for 'start date' to be a mandatory qualifier for this property. –IagoQnsi (talk) 21:56, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I removed it. I added it to "allowed qualifiers" instead.
--- Jura 07:35, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Outher bound on membership of parties

Of various reasons there can outher bounds on memberships of political parties. Due to this I adjusted the constraints to include phone number (P1329) and latest date (P1326). This change is now reverted by User:Geom.[1] (Seems like Geom reverted his revert?)

The specific case that lead to addition of phone number (P1329) and latest date (P1326) are memberships of Nasjonal Samling (Q167189), which became illegal 22. januar 1942 and dissolved in May 1945. Memberships after 22. januar 1942 has been prosecuted, and for most of the cases the membership has run until the party was dissolved. An example is Birger Meidell (Q4916234). When Wikidata claims indefinite memberships that is simply wrong.

There are also other qualifiers that makes sense in this case, as it might be known that a person was member of a political party on a specific date. Jeblad (talk) 16:11, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Members registration number

For [[Q7320] at least the german wikipedia needs the "Mitgliedsnummer". P217 would be close, but an separate marke would be needed. --Bahnmoeller (talk) 11:43, 24 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

rename in English as simply "political party"?

The English label for this is currently "member of a political party", but in practice the property is used slightly more widely than that, e.g for for candidates in elections (in many countries you don't need to be a registered party member to stand for election as that party). The narrow scope of the label has made some people uneasy about using it like this, however, so sometimes represents (P1268) gets used instead. The label in quite a few other languages is simply the equivalent of "political party", and I propose that this might also be more suitable in English. --Oravrattas (talk) 10:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that is a good idea. Are there cases where the label was problematic? --- Jura 10:50, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – This property was proposed and created as a membership property. Labels in a most major languages reflect that, and the proposal will fundamentally redefine the purpose of the property. This would signify that it will effectively be used in two different meanings giving confusion and misleading/wrong statements. Instead of overuse of this property, use parliamentary group (P4100) for groups in parliaments, and represents (P1268) for affiliation in elections. --Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 11:29, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you see any places where this would make sense as a qualifier, or would this only be used as a main statement? Are you suggesting all member of political party (P102) qualifiers on candidacy in election (P3602), candidate (P726), and successful candidate (P991) should be migrated to represents (P1268)? What would we use with with holding executive office, e.g. on head of government (P6) and officeholder (P1308), and relevant position held (P39), where parliamentary group (P4100) would not be appropriate? --Oravrattas (talk) 11:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Allowing serial number (P2598) as qualifier

Some political parties like Communist Party of the Soviet Union had serial numbers of membership documents. So it'll be good idea to allow serial number (P2598) as qualifier to this property. --EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:52, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

P102: Q113264255

There is an interesting problem: there is a discussion on the Russian Wikipedia about the unnecessary of some information stored in a Wikidata in the Russian template. In reference to this discussion, this information has been deleted from several Wikidata elements.

Here's the discussion: ru:Википедия:Форум/Исторический#"Политик до появления политических партий" (corrected afterwards)

And this is the data for member of political party (P102): politician before the emergence of political parties (Q113264255) ( https://w.wiki/Ccuj )

Their position (although they will tell you) is that in the case of a politician who was not a member of a party because they did not exist at the time, the P102 value should be set to novalue. My position, however, is that the value would be novalue even if a politician holds political office as an independent party candidate, and these two statuses can and should be distinguished.

What is your opinion? Pallor (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Correct link: ru:Википедия:Форум/Исторический#"Политик до появления политических партий". The technical problem in Russian Wikipedia with this value is solved already, btw.
These additions were also mass-removed in a bunch of pages by @Ulmenholz, who, as I wrote on their talk page, is not a Russian Wikipedia community member AFAIK, so the opposition is not strictly caused by Russian Wikipedia community.

I think the approach with this item is incorrect: if there is no political party for the person, it should be marked as no value with an appropriate qualifier, not as a pseudo-value. It shouldn’t masquerade as a value denoting a non-value, if you need to give out a reason why no value is present, AFAIK you can do so in qualifiers. If there is a separate case where no value represents something else, for example, a person during existence of political parties who was independent, it can be denoted in qualifiers as well. This would be correct modelling, not introducing bogus data into the data pool. stjn^[ru] 20:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think I'm starting to understand what you're saying: you're proposing to set P102 to 'novalue' for all the items concerned, and to have a qualifier (which qualifier?) to indicate if the MP was independent or if there were no political parties yet.

This is a very significant change, the current situation is not based on this solution. There are a lot of queries and auxiliary tables that would give false data if this solution were introduced.

There are currently 843,801 politicians with items ( https://w.wiki/CdNJ ), 436,430 of them have no political party marked ( https://w.wiki/CdNh ). Of all politicians, nearly 30,000 are known to have been born before 1600, 950 are marked as having been active before the parties were formed (plus the ones User:Ulmenholz deleted but I've already asked him to fix his edits), and 6,700 are marked as independent, Whatever decision is made, that's how many items are affected. Perhaps this should have been discussed earlier.

Queryes

I am trying to take stock of what we are losing with this transformation and what needs to be addressed.

There is, for example, a query that shows how the relationship between religion and political party is evolving numerically. Can somebody adapt this query so that if you don't have the independent politician ticked in P102, you can still get the proportion of independent politicians? Pallor (talk) 00:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

SELECT ?country ?countryLabel ?count WHERE {
  {
    SELECT ?country (COUNT(*) AS ?count) WHERE {
      ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q5;
        wdt:P140 wd:Q75809;
        wdt:P102 ?country.
    }
    GROUP BY ?country
  }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "mul,en". }
}
ORDER BY DESC (?count)

Try it!

We need a solution so that the independent politician element will only be in the qualifier. Pallor (talk) 00:20, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]