Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive123
M.K
[edit]| Request withdrawn. KillerChihuahua?!? 21:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC) |
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Request concerning M.K[edit]
It is my belief that since being warned that Eastern European topics are under general sanctions ("if the editor repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process... and engages in further inappropriate behavior in this area... that editor placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article ban.") last year, M.K has failed to improve his attitude. His editing has been disruptive (long pattern of slow edit warring on naming and nationality claims), (occasionally) incivil, and thus should be addressed by the community. This request is a follow up on the uncivil comment made by M.K: [2]. In that comment, M.K has commented on me thus: "Old WP:EEML is not gone, at least the most of it. I believe that no one can honestly doubt VolunteerMarek, Piotrus and other members have changed their ways.", citing however no proof of any wrongdoing on my part. This is a clear assumption of bad faith with regards to my editing, particularly when I have even not been involved in the Baltic-related conflicts that MK joined and commented on. I have asked him to refactor his mention of me (User_talk:M.K#Refactor_request), but he has ignored my request, despite his continued activity on Wikipedia and in that AE thread where the comment has been made. While I would usually let such a comment slide (I have thick skin and've been accused of worse), given his disruptive content editing, I think more action is needed. What I mean by disruptive editing is, simply, the fact that majority (~75%) of M.K's edits are slow edit warring, focusing on removing Polish and Belarussian names and nationality adjectives, and replacing them with Lithuanian ones, and commenting on others at dispute resolution pages; neither of which makes for a more friendly editing atmosphere. I have coded his edits since last Spring, when he received admin and arbitration warnings about his behavior. See here for the table and the graph (or just look at the pics in the gallery I added). The bottom line is that about 65% of his edits fall under the slow edit warring feeding into nationalist battleground mentality (warring over names and nationaloties), 10% under participating in complain threads about others (such as AE), and only 25% are "other" (AGF, let's call them constructive edits).
Submitted by --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 21:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
I think it is clear that M.K's contribution to Polish and Belorussian topics are not constructive, and taken together with his recent comment on me, indicating he is still reliving the "old battles", show an unfortunate persistence of the battleground ("national-OWN") mentality. I would suggest, given the demonstrated pattern of M.K's disruptive edits, focusing almost in their entirety on reverting and nationalist POV-pushing in naming and nationality claims, and the fact that he has ignored the previous warnings to change his editing focus away from such edit warring, that M.K is placed on a topic ban from Poland and Poland-related and Belarus and Belarus-related topics. This would follow a precedent on Matthead (talk · contribs) and Space Cadet (talk · contribs), two users whose edits primarily focused on exactly such edit warring over names and nationalities. See Matthead topic ban and Space Cadet topic ban. This would let M.K focus on Lithuanian topics, such as Vilnius Castle Complex, to which in the past he has contributed good content (even writing a GA or two), while removing the temptation to war on Polish and Belorussian topics, which leads to battleground creation and fosters nationality-themed conflicts and OWN attitudes. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 21:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC) Reply to MK's defense The point is not about individual edits, because taken apart, they are fine. The point is about a pattern which over many months (years) creates a battleground. Since the presented diffs have been called insufficient, here is a selection of most problematic diffs from this year:
I hope that this set of diffs adds more context. Again, I am not asking for anything but for a remedy that would put an end to this slow edit warring that contributes to the battleground mentality on Polish-Lithuanian topics. Perhaps even better than my earlier suggestion of a ban on PL-LT topics would be simply a ban from removing Polish and Belarussian names and claims of nationality/origin/etc. Or at the very least require him to start an RfC on talk if he does that. Such a remedy would allow M.K to allow all articles he wants, revert clear vandalism, but would stop him from contributing to those slow edit wars that have done so much to create battlegrounds in this area. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 16:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Discussion concerning M.K[edit]Statement by M.K[edit]A ground on which this case is opened is completely baseless. Simply put it this is retaliation not only for my strict criticism of user:Piotrus’ long time friends Volunteer Marek and MyMoloboaccount, but he has long personally grievances against me, because I started arbitration case against him back in 2007; and participated in the second arbitration case regarding him; there I presented undisputed facts, that already in 2008 these editors engaged in coordinated tag teaming, long before notorious WP:EEML. I really find difficulty to understand what I am accused off. I suspended my major contribution on wiki, because of continuous harassment as outlined here, for this reason my edit number of thousands dropped to only few. And this case only prove the need to protect me from such harassment and slandering campaign of my good name which is taking place for years now. I repeated asked to do so [30]. So called evidences against me is embarrassing to read[edit]
Such evidences are embarrassing to read. Comments by others about the request concerning M.K[edit]Comment by Lothar von Richthofen[edit]Well, you could have pulled better diffs. A lot of the ones you present above are fairly benign—look at how many times you yourself had to put AGF in! I'll go through the ones you have provided individually:
Maybe I am wrong about some of these, and I do welcome your feedback. But given that M.K was involved in the recently-frozen VM-Molobo request, I'm not sure how the administrator response will go.... ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 22:09, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Result concerning M.K[edit]
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Nishidani
[edit]| One month topic ban. EdJohnston (talk) 04:14, 6 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Nishidani[edit]
He/she has been blocked before for 8 hours, 24 hours, 72 hours, and 1 week. Nishidani has also been blocked indefinitely from I-P, and was also topic-banned for a certain amount of time on I-P (both cases are over now and he is allowed to edit). I also warned him/her to self-revert here. A short amount of time before that, I warned about 1RR and asked to self-revert here as well (that was solved). --Activism1234 04:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Strikingly, I've had this problem a few times before with Nishidani, but never took it to 1RR. I understand people sometimes make mistakes, and I'm not interested in the drama and attacks that results from an AE (now it's become too much though). But what's surprising is that during those cases, such as this, Nishidani said "Thanks for the tip-off. I'll never understand that rule [1RR]" and "I never could understand these revert niceties." I think I thoroughly explained it to him/her on those threads (as did some other editors). Based on the editor's talk page here, it still seems that the editor doesn't understand what 1RR really is, and thus is refusing to self-revert. This, I feel, is also surprising when you consider that Nishidani was topic banned for violationg 1RR. Has nothing been learned? And this is regardless of whether or not Nishidani violated 1RR here, as Nishidani has openly admitted he still doesn't "get" 1RR. It is my understanding also that penalties can be enforced even for a first 1RR though. Not looking to receive full-blown drama and attacks here, so crossing my fingers that it won't. This is just a case about a violation of 1RR.
See here. @Nishidani - my interpretation of WP:1RR is, as I've said on your talk page, straight from the 1RR page - any edit, whether in whole or in part, that undoes the work of another editor. Hope that clarifies it. You don't need an "authority" to explain this either, it's straight there on the 1RR page, and you've been here long enough, which is why it's surprising that you haven't understood - openly admitting that here - what 1RR is all this time, especially when an editor like yourself focuses heavily on I-P articles. --Activism1234 14:41, 27 August 2012 (UTC) @Nishidani When I woke up, my talk page contained an edit on the article from something you wrote. I checked it out, noticed you wrote a passage from a fringe unreliable biased reference, and removed it, with a very clear edit summary explaining why. A bit later, I noticed activity on the talk page, where I saw your comment about removing it. I also, once again, explained very clearly, along with links to mainstraem news site, why the referene was unreliable, so saying I didn't explain it on the talk page is ridiculous and not true. Later on, another editor, NNMG, voiced support as well for removing it, explaining his/her reasons too, and yet while you were asked for a number of hours to just self-revert, you refused to do so. --Activism1234 15:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC) @Pluto - This is a different scenario. This is not a case where an editor X writes a passage referencing The New York Times, and another editor Y removes that passage (for any reason related to the passage itself, such as distorting the source, not being accurate, etc). X then goes, and writes a different passage in a different section of the article, using the same reference. Great. Here, however, X writes a passage in the article with a reference from a certain website, not a reliable media outlet. Y removes the passage because of the reference itself - such as being unreliable or fringe or heavily heavily biased. X then goes, and writes another passage in a different section - but uses the same reference that was previously removed as problematic, and which a number of editors supported removing. --Activism1234 15:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC) @All/admins - I added another diff as supplied by another editor below to the list of diffs of edits above, which should be helpful. --Activism1234 22:06, 27 August 2012 (UTC) @Mac - Please don't strike out other editor's comments on a talk page without their permission... That's often frowned upon, and can change what an editor was meaning to fit what you want, which isn't right. Thanks. --Activism1234 17:55, 30 August 2012 (UTC) @JohnCarter, in regards to Nishidani violation 1RR but not sure which sanction to give: Nishidani's violation here isn't his/her first. Indeed, Nishidani was blocked for 8 hours for violating 3RR and edit warring on Hebron, blocked for 24 hours for violating 3RR on Haj Amin al-Husseini, 72 hours for edit warring on Norman Finkelstein, 1 week for personal attacks on an editor (the latter two cases, however, were lifted before the time expired). Moreover, Nishidani has been previously prohibited from editing I-P at the original ARBPIA case, and at another AE, Nishidani was topic-banned from I-P articles. Since the original ban from I-P in the ARBPIA case, Nishidani has continued to reoffend, as shown in the topic-ban and now this case. --Activism1234 05:21, 31 August 2012 (UTC) @Nishidani - please don't try to frame editors like myself as being hired by someone or paid... Everyone can say that about someone else, it doesn't make it true, and I find that very offensive. Thanks. --Activism1234 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC) @Nishidani - That's pretty simple. There aren't any intermediate edits - it's 1 revert. People who are familiar with WP:3RR or 1RR would know that - "A series of consecutive saved revert edits by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert." It's distressing that even after being sanctioned multiple times for 1RR or 3RR, you still don't get this. --Activism1234 16:07, 31 August 2012 (UTC) @Nishidani - that's an admin decision, not mine. --Activism1234 16:43, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Nishidani[edit]Statement by Nishidani[edit]Eric Berne,[Games People Play]. User:Activism1234 is quite an activist in this complaint, see also here, particularly when I am in mid-stride building a defective page rapidly. I freely admit I am not a stickler for the reclusive hermeneutic niceties of the 1R rule. I call its use in circumstances like these the 'stick in the spokes' tactic in edit-warring that aims to block article composition, but I may be wrong. The first instance I cite looks as though I did inadvertently make such an infraction. At the risk of WP:TLDR, since this is recurrent in my regard, and some editors are pressing for my permaban on piddling issues like this (see archives), I am obliged to ask for clarification.
Technically this is called preemptive use of 1R to make a "fait accompli" irrespective of one's obligations to the talk page where prior explanations have been given. Activism notified me on my page. I engaged in a dialogue, though it was very late: I was in pyjamas, and would examine it (under Nableezy's reading it is not an infraction) on getting up and do whatever was required, hoping input from third parties who know about these things became available to my page in the meantime. I woke up and found that, instead of the courtesy of waiting, as I asked, Activism had preempted all and made a formal complaint here. The worst of it is, (s)he insist I remove material that is actually totally neutral, an objective remark on what everyone familiar with Hebrew and English knows to be a truism. To save the bother I actually did revert the questioned edit In brief, apart from Pluto's comment below, Nableezy's clarification that Activism's prior complaint of this type is questionable, and several stray remarks Activism made yesterday refusing to apologize for insinuating I was abetting antisemitism and genocide, see here and the exchanges that ensued (I could have raised this at wikiquette. I decided not to. I dislike this relentless pettifogging to score points) I've reverted and this could be ignored. But for once I would like some neutral specialist to clarify for me if Activism's latest complaint is correct. I simply cannot see it, and think this is POV badgering to disturb another editor. One should not allow work here to be bogged down continuously by such trivial pursuits. Nishidani (talk) 10:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
A general reflection. If rules are clear, they are either followed or, when broken, applied. I know my edits are placed under the microscope to make life difficult. In three days, examining just a few edits over one day's span of time, the original plaintiff who just found what is putatively one 1R infraction, then combed out, with NMMGG's help, another, and now, sieving and resieving has found a third. It's absolutely weird that the plaintiffs never saw this when making the original complaint. I can't understand it as it is being interpreted, but neither can the two plaintiffs, for they keep on adding examples of ostensible infractions they missed the first or second time round. At this rate every edit other than one I make over 1 a day on any page will be some infraction by the end of the thread. As I note below, it looks to me like NMMGG, by the same reading, broke 1R. User:Activism1234’s novel rearrangement of events, placing her own initial accusation third, while showcasing the rather complicated interaction between NMMGG, myself and another editor above it, leads to misapprehensions. I have trouble figuring it out, but I'm notoriously bad at things like this. Let me examine what NMMGG was doing on the page, and how other editors reacted.
Tibi’s remark about the Tel Aviv incident concludes by making an analogy which, though expressed as an hypothesis, explicitly uses and alludes to the Arab lynched in a Jewish town, meaning The Zion Square assault which is the object of the article. That is as plain as day. It is simply not opinionable given (a) the journalist's use of another and the obvious allusion in Tibi's words. In other words, NMMGG has been (a) quite within the law, his two reverts being on successive days (b) But these two substantial and wrongly motivated or at least highly questionable removal-reverts of large amounts of material from the page, concerning the views of notable people cited in mainstream newspapers or magazines, are only with the most lenient interpretation defensible as oversights. They were restored because either argument or checking showed that his edit summaries were wrong, misleading or question-begging.Nishidani (talk) 13:14, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Nishidani[edit]
Activism1234 complains because Nishidani used somewhere in the article a source that Activism1234 had removed somewhere else and to refer to another material and he counts this as a revert! Activism1234 should be forbidden to come and complain on this page per WP:GAMING, WP:LAWYERING and WP:POINT until he copies 100 times WP:AGF (with a pen, scan this and upload thi son wp:commons). Pluto2012 (talk) 06:36, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Actually, what Nishidani is "semi-graciously" talking about is the first part of that edit, which was sourced to a Haaretz article that mainly quotes from Facebook. I removed it Here and asked for sources on the talk page since only one source in a verbatim quote from Facebook used this terminology, he restored it Here. Then, about 12 hours later he made the first edit mentioned in this report. So if you're looking for a 1RR violation, that's it.
Are you guys setting a precedent that if someone was "trying to improve the article" then edit warring (and that's what 1RR is supposed to prevent) is not so bad? In most cases of edit warring people think they're trying to improve the article. I don't really care what you decide, as long as the decision will be applied similarly in future cases, both in regards to the 1RR violation itself as well as how much weight a history of similar infractions influences sanctions. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:19, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Result concerning Nishidani[edit]
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Esc2003
[edit]| No action taken. EdJohnston (talk) 02:33, 7 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Esc2003[edit]
Looking over at the Esc2003's talkpage, he has been briefly blocked as a possible sockpuppet and warned numerous times for adding unreferenced controversial biographical content, removing sourced sections in controversial articles, removal of text and references, making unilateral obviously contentious moves, making unilateral edits, marking his edits as minor when they're not, attempting to move without discussion, attacking other editors, adding inappropriate categories etc...
Discussion concerning Esc2003[edit]Statement by Esc2003[edit]
Other comments: sumgait.info, budapest.sumgait.info These are all propaganda sites. They are one-sided. It is unethical situation for an encyclopedia. -- Esc2003 (talk) 11:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Esc2003[edit]
Result concerning Esc2003[edit]
This section is only for the use of uninvolved administrators--Cailil talk 19:39, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
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פארוק
[edit]| Indefinitely blocked for clear legal threats, can be revisited if/when said threats are retracted. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:52, 7 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning פארוק[edit]
I informed the user of their violation here. Instead of choosing to self-RV, the user threatened me on my talk page (see the diff above). I asked that admins really consider the content of the diff of the violation. Outright denial of Palestinian existence should not be tolerated. I find the comments especially racist and disgusting. This kind of rhetoric is not at all new for this user, as one can tell from the original A/E thread. I request that this user receive an indefinite block, not only for the topic ban violation and legal threat, but for the continuation of and rehashing of racist commentary.
Discussion concerning פארוק[edit]
Statement by פארוק[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning פארוק[edit]Result concerning פארוק[edit]
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Espor
[edit]| Blocked 48h for disruptive editing, warned explicitly about discretionary sanctions. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:32, 11 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Espor[edit]
Espor is a recently created single-purpose account engaged in battleground/tag-team behaviour (together with fellow SPA Ximhua (talk · contribs)) over a dispute at Bulgaria. His misbehaviour was even more crass in the first days and brought him several warnings; the links above are only those edits made after the latest "final warning" by an administrator.
Discussion concerning Espor[edit]Statement by Espor[edit]Dear Comittee, I do not agree with the attempts of Fut. Ref. to ban me. If you pay attention to the so called offensive edits you will see that the quoted passages are not even offesive at all( there is not even a single vulgar word). Furthermore, Fut. Ref. tries to ascribe me crimes that I have not commited such as "deliberately hiding my username", as if this is possible on Wikipedia. Before making decision whether I deserve a ban, I ask you to go first through the whole conversations and not just through the carefully selected and taken out of context passages presented by Fut. Ref. Most of the things said are responses to provocations made by the opposide side. Of course, being a new editor, I tend to be more direct and honest than some of my opponents who have learned to express themselves in a "politically correct manner". In completion, I want to declare that I stand 100% behind every word, every statement I made no matter how harsh it may sound in the sensitive ears of some editors. Besides, I do not think that an attempt to silence someone else's opinion under the "just" pretext of usage of harsh language (but not offensive) does any good to WIkipedia. After all, I brought up an old and unsolved problem regarding the Bulgaria page and thanks to the dispute that I initiated now the whole board of editors found an agreement that satisfies all sides for the first time since 2006. Not like the last "consenus" which was only between several editors (among which Fut. Ref.) leaving the other side completely confused, this time we have a true consensus among all participants. Now the other side wants to express its rage "shooting the messanger". No thanks. This will not work out. Regards, EsporEspor (talk) 09:29, 11 September 2012 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Espor[edit]Result concerning Espor[edit]
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Talknic
[edit]| Indefinitely blocked. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 12:06, 12 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Talknic[edit]
All is noted above.
Admin Malik made a very good point. I don't have any preferences over indefinite ban or broadened topic ban, but I would like to point out that talknic's claims of consistently only maintaining NPOV seem superficial, when one takes a quick look at his YouTube page of his, devoted entirely to I-P and blatant POV against Israel (which is fine for YouTube, but not for Wikipedia), as well as his website. His Wikipedia account just looks to me like an extension of his online activities devoted solely to I-P. So honestly, I don't see a broadened topic ban being any different than an indefinite ban, and Malik is completely right when he/she says that talknic isn't interested in contributing to other areas of Wikipedia. --Activism1234 00:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)”
Discussion concerning Talknic[edit]Statement by Talknic[edit]
Addressing the complaints
1) Part b. Also note he was previously indef blocked from I-P articles in 2011 as well.
2) 13 August Here Talknic was blocked for 72 hours for violating his topic ban, by making this edit.
3) 23 August He was warned by an administrator for violating his topic ban again by editing his namespace in an edit that violated the topic ban.
4) 27 August Again warned explicitly against violating the topic ban by editing his namespace in an edit that violated the topic ban.
5) Part a. 8 September - makes a disruptive edit to the article
5) Part b. (and the talk page) of which he was blocked for 72 hours for editing. Although here it's an edit where he inserts a POV template (w/o exactly explaining why...), rather than make an edit about a UNSC resolution directly tied to I-P, the article itself as a whole is about Ahmadinejad's views on Israel, and his comments, which stem as a direct result of I-P, and should thus fall under broadly construed.
5) Part c. Two different administrators have agreed that Talknic has been pushing the limits of his topic ban and testing the edges here, while there are millions of other unrelated articles Talknic could edit (but doesn't)
Further comments on the complaint
"I think to stop Talcnic wikilawyering the ban should be from all Middle eastern topics and Jewish topics broadly construed"
"Why block her/him for one or two weeks; we all know we'll have to take action again in a month."
"when one takes a quick look at his YouTube page of his, devoted entirely to I-P and blatant POV against Israel (which is fine for YouTube, but not for Wikipedia), as well as his website."
"His Wikipedia account just looks to me like an extension of his online activities devoted solely to I-P."
".. talknic isn't interested in contributing to other areas of Wikipedia"
BTW "Dredging up their off line opinions to be used to constantly challenge their edits can be a form of harassment, just as doing so regarding their past edits on other Wikipedia articles may be." and; "Do not use a voluntarily disclosed conflict of interest as a weapon against the editor." ... talknic (talk) 09:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
T. Canens/ Heimstern Läufer -- I feel my reaction to this AE is quite justified. I've pointed out a blatant breach of NPOV. In my statement I have given evidence of false accusations in the AE request. I took the POV issue to Talk as recommended and then added a POV tag as recommended. If I am banned and the breach of NPOV is allowed to remain (as the breach of NPOV stood for over 16 months in the 1948 Arab-Israeli War article), you will all have done Wikipedia a dis-service ... talknic (talk) 05:37, 11 September 2012 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Talknic[edit]Comment by Shike- I have marked article in question with ARBPIA tag as it clearly belongs to the I/P conflict. I think to stop Talcnic wikilawyering the ban should be from all Middle eastern topics and Jewish topics broadly construed .That will save the trouble for everyone.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 13:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Comment by Malik Shabazz — Why is everybody pussyfooting around the real issue? talknic seems to have no interest in contributing to the project except with respect to the Israel-Palestine conflict. Why block her/him for one or two weeks; we all know we'll have to take action again in a month. I recommend an indefinite block. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:17, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Statement by EdJohnston[edit]When I first heard the complaint that Talknic was violating his ban, I didn't want to take action myself because Blade seemed to be giving him some latitude. However the repeated appearances of Talknic's name in connection with articles which are not well chosen for a person working under such a ban indicate to me that admins should take reasonable steps. My proposal is: "Talknic may not edit any article which mentions the Arab-Israeli conflict or the future of the state of Palestine, or states the views of any political leader who refers to Israel as a Zionist regime." The point of this is to broaden the scope of the ban to include the entire common-sense definition of the Arab-Israeli conflict. If Talknic seemed to be using common sense, this fine-tuning of the ban would not be necessary. We also have been known to adjust the scope of bans if it seems that someone wants to do actual content work. There does not seem to be any proposal for content work in this case. What he has done at the Ahmadinejad and Israel article is add a POV tag. His activity at Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Israel is likely to cause turmoil but no actual improvement of the article. EdJohnston (talk) 16:09, 10 September 2012 (UTC) Result concerning Talknic[edit]
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Aslbsl
[edit]| User blocked 24 hours. NW (Talk) 03:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Aslbsl[edit]
The user did the same thing earlier in the month (here). Repeatedly removing the well-sourced location of this settlement as being in Israeli-occupied East Jerusalem and instead obfuscating that to appear that it is simply a neighborhood in Jerusalem. A prior 1RR violation also went unreported, see the following:
Discussion concerning Aslbsl[edit]Statement by Aslbsl[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning Aslbsl[edit]Result concerning Aslbsl[edit]
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Ximhua
[edit]| Blocked for three months. T. Canens (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Ximhua[edit]
(these are just the ones from today)
Ximhua has been on a persistent campaign of disruptive tendentious editing mainly regarding the Bulgaria page, but also elsewhere. Virtually all his contributions in article space have had to be reverted as tendentious, OR, or just plain false. His behaviour in the context of a request for medition was so bad that the mediation failed before it could start, largely because of him [110].
Discussion concerning Ximhua[edit]Statement by Ximhua[edit]Obviously Future is unable to accept even a simple edit made by me - to an article about a word - Troika, which is a standard word shared between Bulgaria and Russia. He reverted the mention in the article that the word is Bulgarian three times, without providing any evidence/arguments or source to back his reverts. That is far from civil. After his reverts I did post on the talk page of Troika. I hope the committee will review his behavior as well. As for the requests for Mediation, it failed, because the other side declined to participate. I've also submitted another request, but again the other side failed to participate. As I'm certain the committee will review the actual request for mediation, it will quickly become evident what happened. As for Bulgaria's page, I was the one who was looking for a compromise and who initiated a DRN and Mediation request (links below), thus I've always have been looking for a compromise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard/Archive_40 - look for Bulgaria http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Bulgaria Indef? In light of my numerous attempts to use the official channels to resolve the dispute on Bulgaria and the other side's attitude and actions, would this be justified? Wouldn't you need to ban all of the participants in this dispute then? Ximhua (talk) 05:35, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Just saw the comments by Tourbillion :) and how are my edits about Vlad the Impaler or other edits inappropriate or not true? As for the investigation, it was initiated by Tourbillion for Ceco31 not me and was rejected by the committee, for lack of evidence. Tourbillion's behavior on the other hand has often been far from civil, as he's declined participation in the request for mediation on the topic and has made statements outright false statements like the bellow, where he states that the First and Second Bulgarian Empire were not sovereign states. "They only include prior states if there is some political continuity between them. That is the case of Germany, France and Russia. That is not the case of Poland or Hungary (not really good articles), nor of Bulgaria. You used a very good description there - the Medieval Bulgarian empires were "political entities". But post-1878 is a sovereign state. The two empires were not sovereign countries. - ☣Tourbillon A ? 15:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)" Ximhua (talk) 00:27, 15 September 2012 (UTC) @Eluchil404, can you please explain which standards have I broken to justify such a harsh punishment (1 month)? On the Bulgaria's discussion I've initiated DRN, Request for mediation, Request for Comment, etc. On the troika edits, did I use harsh language or did I revert someone's edits. Quite the opposite, my edit was reverted 3 times with no explanation? I engaged on the talk pages on both topics. Please, provide justification for your suggestion, as otherwise it would make sense to ban everybody that is involved in Bulgaria's discussion for example. Obviously, I want to follow the rules and if you look thru my contribs you will see that I've engaged with moderators during the DRNs and Request for Mediation to ensure I'm doing the right thing. Thus, please help me understand better what am I doing wrong, so obviously I don't do it in the future as well as provide justification for the proposed 1 month ban. Best, Ximhua (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2012 (UTC) @Eluchil404. OK, I got it. I can assure you that I will make sure I engage on the talk page after first reverts. No warnings either. Do I still deserve a month's ban?Ximhua (talk) 00:34, 18 September 2012 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Ximhua[edit]Some additional points on tag-team behavior: [112][113]; examples of edits of the same nature on articles outside the Bulgaria topic field: Genetic history of Europe and Vlad the Impaler. Even though the second example has a source added, the user has shown that he is prone to misinterpreting sources to prove a point:[114]. Was also subject of a sockpuppetry investigation. No sockpuppetry was confirmed, but meatpuppetry was suggested by the checkuser. - ☣Tourbillon A ? 10:27, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Future Perf.'s request is unfounded. Evidently, he wants to ban everyone who does not agree with him, which in itself is a battleground and far from civil behavior. Maybe we should soon consider the behavior of Fut. Perf. as well. As for Ximhua, I could say that his statements and edits speak for themselves. He uses references unlike other editors who just use "logical thinking" and make claims without providing sources which back up their claims. This request is waste of time. I recommend rejection of the request since no evidence for uncivil behavior has been presented.Espor (talk) 13:48, 14 September 2012 (UTC) Can we get a closure here? The consensus for sanctions has been essentially stable and without opposition for more than a week now. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:56, 22 September 2012 (UTC) Result concerning Ximhua[edit]
@Ximhua. I'll take the Troika edits as an example. You reverted twice, before going to the talk page. WP:BRD, which while not a policy documents a widely endorsed practice recommends that after you have been reverted you go directly to the talk page without reverting back even once. Secondly, Future Perfect did give explanations "Bulgarian is irrelevant here" and "it's irrelevant in how many other languages the word exists. English got it directly from Russian; that's the only reason for mentioning it." which make clear why he believes that only Russian need be mentioned. Your response "This word has been around for 10 centuries, how do you know where English got it from? Why are you denying facts?" is needlessly personal and accusatory. No one is denying facts (i.e. that the word exists in Bulgarian) but merely asserting that the Russian use is the only relevant one for English etymology as can be confirmed by any English dictionary. Your related edits to Future Perfect's talk page are also very troubling. Content disputes are not vandalism. It is not appropriate to issue "WARNING"s, or make demands of other editors in the way that you did. Eluchil404 (talk) 07:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Going with a three month block for now. The next block, should it become necessary, will likely be indefinite. T. Canens (talk) 18:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC) |
TrevelyanL85A2
[edit]| Blocked indefinitely. T. Canens (talk) 00:40, 23 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Request concerning TrevelyanL85A2[edit]
Not applicable. Arbitrators have repeatedly reminded him of his topic ban, even if he has repeatedly ignored their advice. He has banned me (and others) from his user talk page, but I have nevertheless notified him.[116]
TrevelyanL85A2 is topic-banned from commenting on me. He has not added any useful content to wikipedia for a long time. His sole purpose this year, judging from his edits, seems to be to act to create trouble for me in any way he can manage. He is prohibited from commenting on me and arbitrators have spelled that out to him (e.g. Newyorkbrad). The latest posting refers to two threads on WP:BLPN one of which I started today and another where I participated. From his comments in the diff above, TrevelyanL85A2 has made it clear tbat he wishes to make mischief concerning me through The Devil's Advocate. He has done so previously, communicating in private with The Devil's Advocate (as he is suggesting now). That has led to the current highly disruptive and time-wasting amendment request. In the current circumstances, with no edits to mitigate his conduct and where he is still giving the appearance of acting as a henchperson for two site-banned editors, a lengthy or possibly indefinite editing restriction seems to be the way forward. His excuses for not contributing have been lame. At the moment his editing has regressed to that of a disruption-only account, in this case acting on behalf of two site-banned buddies. The diff above is a graphic illustration of that: administrators should read the two linked threads there, one started today by me,and see who commneted there. They have nothing at all to do with TrevelyanL85A2. He is trying to evade his topic ban yet again through The Devil's Advocate in an even more evasive way than before. In this case he is trying to create havoc away from arbcom pages, where he has previously enjoyed some kind of protection while motions have been formulated. The comments on me in the diff above fall outside arbitration processes and appear to be purely malicious. If his only aim is to game the system, he should do so elsewhere (provided that he's not been banned there) without fooling around on wikipedia. Mathsci (talk) 21:52, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Discussion concerning TrevelyanL85A2[edit]Statement by TrevelyanL85A2[edit]I was really hoping this wouldn't become a big deal, which is why I wanted to discuss it with TDA via e-mail instead of posting about it in public, but I guess I have no other option now. I brought this up with TDA is because it's my fault Mathsci is following him to places like WQA and the Wikipedia UK article. It was at my request that he posted the amendment thread about me, and now he's experiencing the consequences of that. I feel really guilty for not having warned him, because it is something I knew was a danger. It's how Mathsci tends to handle him himself in disputes, such as his dispute last year with Miradre, which resulted in (for example) following Miradre to the Groupthink, article where he made four reverts of Miradre and no other edits. [117] But TDA was not familiar with this danger, and it's my fault he didn't know about it. I know it probably looks like I was jumping into something that wasn't my business, but please look at the whole situation, and what I can understand about my responsibility for what's happening to TDA now. He tried to help me, and as a direct result he's experiencing something I should have warned him about but didn't. Therefore, it's my responsibility to try to help him if he wants it, and if he doesn't want it then at least to apologise. I tried to do this in a way that was as inoffensive as possible, and without mentioning Mathsci directly. If that's still a problem, please at least understand what my goal was. It was not to cause conflict, but only to do what seemed like the only kind thing I could do for TDA in this situation.--TrevelyanL85A2 (talk) 23:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning TrevelyanL85A2[edit]Result concerning TrevelyanL85A2[edit]
Sigh. While I'm not sure it was a very smart move on Mathsci's own part to follow TDA to that article and take it to that noticeboard, that's really not at issue here. What I find clear is that Trevelyan had no business sticking his own nose in too, and his edit is clearly a comment on Mathsci, even if he didn't explicitly mention the name (he said "has been reported", in the passive, but of course it was plain obvious that the agent of that verb was Mathsci; also, the intention of writing an e-mail to TDA that "also relates to what happened" in the other event he mentioned could only refer to that editor, because his and TDA's presence was the only thing that linked the two events.) Given the fact that Trevelyan had lots, lots of warnings, and that he has not contributed anything to the encyclopedia for over half a year but spent an insane amount of time and energy skirting around the edges of his topic ban instead, I think a longish block is the logical consequence at this point. Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
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Factocop
[edit]| Blocked 48h by SilkTork (talk · contribs); topic banned 3 months. T. Canens (talk) 04:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Factocop[edit]
Not required
The edit has previously been made by Hackneyhound (talk · contribs) here (and at User talk:Hackneyhound#Hackneyhound there is a "distinct suspicion" voiced by a member of the Arbitration Committee as to Hackneyhound being a sock of Factocop). It was also made more recently (May 2012 for the last identified socking) by 147.114.44.209 (talk · contribs) here, and that IP was subsequently blocked per Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Factocop/Archive#18 May 2012 for being a known sock of Factocop. See also these additions, the entire discussion is worth looking over as well since there is no doubt the IP is Factocop. So given Factocop's socks have made this particular edit before, there can't be an argument he was unaware it was a revert since he's reverting to his preferred version. Mo ainm~Talk 15:19, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
You can make an edit of the current version of a page and manually add sourced material, and/or remove inappropriate material, and/or amend current text in a constructive manner. If you have any doubt as to if your action may be challenged then I strongly suggest you raise the issue on the talkpage and either get support for your action, or see if there are no objections after a reasonable amount of time has passed (the amount of time would depend on the significance of the edit and the page itself, but I would say at least 24 hours).
Diff of notification about this request
Discussion concerning Factocop[edit]Statement by Factocop[edit]So making the same edit as an IP made 18 edits ago is a revert???? I started a discussion topic 5 days ago on WP:Lough_Neagh and outlined my proposed edit. Had Mo been concerned with the edit, he/she should of raised the issue there. Instead no response came and now he/she is trying to have my blocked again by gaming my sanction. What a waste of admin time.Factocop (talk) 19:54, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
@Cailil: Just out of curiousity....Those accounts are dead. And their edits were deemed null and void and were discounted in discussions and votes because they were supposed sock accounts. So why are they discounted then but counted against me now? Regarding Cailals last comment. I did nit request aid from Burundi, nor is that user blocked. You say assume good faith yet no good faith was shown in me after only one single edit. I'll take note of your comment but assuming good faith is a two way street and I have yet to see you fire of a warning at Mo, though pointless now as thst user has since retired. I think this should be marked to close. It clear that I have not broken my sanctions.Factocop (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2012 (UTC) @Cailil, Sorry but I was not aware of WP:POLEMIC, and I cleaned my talkpage [118] as soon as silktort notified me. Also posting 1 single comment on a user talk page is not Hounding!!!. @EdJohnston, as Elen has already confirmed, I did nothing wrong by making an edit after waiting for 5 days on a talkpage. Also Elen also highlighted that it was a sensible edit. Why if changing 'United Kingdom' to 'Northern Ireland' is a sensible edit would you want to have me blocked for making this edit? seriously? Help me out here.Factocop (talk) 17:39, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Factocop[edit]OK, someone explain to me why changing it from United Kingdom to Northern Ireland is a bad thing, given that Carlingford Lough and Lough Foyle both say Northern Ireland. Why edit war to keep this one at United Kingdom? I note that Factocop even asked on the talkpage if anyone objected to bringing it into line with other articles, days before he made the edit. I came here ready to block Factocop myself, but appears a perfectly sound edit, should never have been changed to United Kingdom in the first place. I think this is a specious complaint. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:09, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough, but I would of expected a grace period before being accused of breaking my sanctions. Not after 1 single edit, so I apologise if my back is up but I didnt appreciate being hounded so soon after a 2 year block. I'm sure you would feel the same in my position.Factocop (talk) 09:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Statement by Jon C.[edit]Hardly a revert, is it? Whose actions has Factocop undone? — Jon C.ॐ 15:51, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Comment by Beyond My Ken[edit]
Comment by SilkTork[edit]
Comment by The C of E[edit]
Irrelevant comments by banned editor removed.
Result concerning Factocop[edit]
this section is only for the use of uninvolved sysops. Please do not post[121] here--Cailil talk 17:02, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Again, this section is only for the use of uninvolved sysops. Factocop please post in the appropriate section not here--Cailil talk 18:46, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Closing with 3 months topic ban, then. T. Canens (talk) 04:45, 25 September 2012 (UTC) |