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Healthware International

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Based on WP:ORGCRIT, I don't think the subject is notable. I found only two articles in independent reliable sources that provide more than a brief mention of the company: the cited MM+M - Medical Marketing and Media 2011 and PMLive 2017. Other sources briefly mention the subject and don't provide in-depth coverage. The article mentions that the company was included in a list of 75 major global agencies in the field of healthcare communications on July 8, 2011, but it doesn't specify who created this list (MM+M?), what criteria they used, or who the other 74 agencies are. Without these details, it's hard to see this as an independent third-party assessment. Besides, there may be WP:NOTADVERT issues. The tone is very promotional with phrases like a source of qualified personnel, Healthware successively became a part, was awarded in several national and international events, the best projects in the field. The article belongs to a cluster of articles (Ferdinando Scala, Roberto Ascione) that I suspect are cases of WP:COI editing and that I've nominated for AfD. Being in doubt, I didn't bundle them. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 00:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Gary Sciacca

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Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC/ WP:GNG. The only source constituting WP:SIGCOV is the one from The New York Times. I couldn't find anything other than passing mentions in google books and a news archive search. It's possible some equestrian periodicals might have something that I missed. Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2025 Vanguard Lions men's volleyball team

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NCAA Division II volleyball season with no indication of notability. The sources are all either primary, trivial mentions, at least 1.5 years old, or don't mention the team at all. An online search doesn't yield any WP:SIGCOV either. JTtheOG (talk) 23:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Pinky Rajgarhia

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Biography of a nn individual. Contested PROD.

The sources are not independent and there is no in-depth coverage that meets WP:BASIC; a WP:BEFORE search gives me nothing except Wikipedia clones. There is no real claim to notability in the draft. The titles she has won show no sign of being notable. bonadea contributions talk 23:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Birkelbach Field

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High school/low-level college football stadium with no indication of notability. A possible redirect target is Southwestern Pirates football. JTtheOG (talk) 23:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Subject appears to lack the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Considering this stadium is the home for multiple teams, I oppose a redirect. Let'srun (talk) 00:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can't find anything that gets us to GNG, though it's not impossible - it's a 12,000 seat high school football/lower division college football stadium, so there may be coverage in newspapers I didn't uncover. SportingFlyer T·C 01:21, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Southwestern Pirates football - Subject fails GNG due to lack of SIGCOV. This is the most notable tenant (as a college and not a high school) so it makes the most sense as a target. However, a retargeting discussion can take place if others believe a different article makes more sense. Having multiple good redirect targets is not a valid reason to delete instead of redirect. Frank Anchor 02:46, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

David Dimitri

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Dubious notablity. The previous Afd claimed "good sources" which were subsequently refbombed to the article. I reviewed them (and some others) and see nothing but short blurbs in run-off-the-mill reviews of some circus performances and no significant coverage of the person in depth. --Altenmann >talk 23:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]

Full quotes from sources cited, for your convenience

One-Ring Circus That Breathes Fellini

Of varying length, they involve the men and women of Les Colporteurs, notably David Dimitri with some nimble, acrobatic tightrope work, in feats of balance, swinging and twirling on ropes, being manipulated like a marionette, flying on a trapeze, clowning and juggling.

The Two-Ring Circus

During celebratory cocktails, they turned their gaze to the Zurich-based tightrope walker David Dimitri (son of the Swiss national treasure Dimitri the Clown) as he traversed a nearly invisible wire a perilous 20 feet above the backyard pond.

Daffiness and Daring In Every Last Ring

Among the daredevils are David Dimitri, the Big Apple's Juilliard-trained Lord of the Wire, who dances to Celtic strains and skips rope on the high wire;

THE FEEL OF A ONE-RING CIRCUS NYT Nov. 22, 1985

Stylistic sympathy notwithstanding, Dimitri had another reason for performing with the Big Apple this year: his 22-year-old son, David, is a member of the troupe. David Dimitri has been performing with circuses since he was 7 years old, when his partner was a llama. Now in his fourth season with the Big Apple Circus, he is thrilled to be on the same bill with his father - but as a name in his own right. I grew up with this image of my dad being very well known in Europe, David Dimitri says. It makes me very happy to be a known, solo performer here, but in the same show with him. It's my own achievement.

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Roberto Ascione

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:CREATIVE, no significant coverage in RS, promotional and unbalanced per WP:TOOMUCH, template:Promo recently removed by IP, possible WP:COI editing, Gitz (talk) (contribs) 23:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2025 Syracuse mayoral election

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Syracuse mayoral elections are hosted on one page. This page should be merged into Mayoral elections in Syracuse, New York. BottleOfChocolateMilk (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge: I agree, the page should be merged.
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Keep, elections in Syracuse seem to get enough coverage to meet GNG. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 00:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Meyer Schleifer

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Cited almost entirely to sources published by the American Contract Bridge League of which the subject was a member. As a professional body over the sport its a reliable source but strictly speaking not independent. As such fails, WP:SPORTSBASIC and WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Fails both GNG and WP:BASIC as all sources are not dependent.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cameremote (talk • contribs) 23:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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ANNO: X

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None of the sources appear to be reliable. Doesn't meet WP:GNG / WP:NALBUM. Skyshiftertalk 22:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tse with long left leg

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Probably does not pass GNG; no significant coverage. Janhrach (talk) 19:46, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: At least please consider a redirect(at least two obvious targets) -Mushy Yank. 01:40, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abkhaz alphabet; Tse (Cyrillic) (technically a merge) are suitable targets. -Mushy Yank. 08:23, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Tse (Cyrillic) ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:16, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rat's Brains & Microchips

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Doesn't meet WP:NALBUM. Lacks reliable sources that give significant coverage. Skyshiftertalk 22:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Timeline of the 2025 Palisades Fire

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I really don't think we need a separate timeline for this fire - I can't find a single other wildfire on WIkipedia which has its own timeline article. The progression of this fire is described adequately in the main article, and having a separate page just for a timeline is unnecessary. In fact, the majority of timelines I can find on here are for long-lasting events, such as wars, and countries or cities with a significant history. harrz ^talk 22:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with the main article. I think a timeline is important, especially for an event of this scale, but for consistency a merge would be best. -NorthropChicken (talk) 23:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This is my seventh timeline article, so I've some experience in the matter. The complex of events are of such magnitude that a stand-alone timeline is called for. The Palisades Fire is just one history-making strand; even just its first two days shall burgeon beyond the bounds of the article proper. kencf0618 (talk) 00:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge at least until a post-fire investigation really elucidates exactly what happened. Otherwise this is going to be a misinformation liability especially with the fire active and still mostly uncontained.--Jasper Deng (talk) 04:09, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge too close to the event. If a timeline is desired, it should be on the wildfire page. Also, this fire is a part of a multitude of fires and I think a broader timeline of the wildfires would be more beneficial. Heart ^(talk) 04:19, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Sydney Pulver

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I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV from third-party sources for this American soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players as possible search term. Giant Snowman 09:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - It's well sourced, it just may be Wikipedia: Too soon. RossEvans19 23:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - there are enough secondary-party sources involved, from The Daily Evergreen, The Spokesman-Review, and Lewiston Morning Tribune. [1][2][3][4] Whether that's enough sigcov in combination per WP:BASIC is another story, but certainly no need for third-party sources here per GNG. There is otherwise coverage beyond WP:ROUTINE, so per WP:SPORTBASIC it's likely there are enough sources for notability, even if not a guarantee. If it's a case of too soon then WP:DRAFTIFY would be a better option here. CNC (talk) 10:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Third-party sources are a requirement for GNG... JoelleJay (talk) 03:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. The Daily Evergreen is not independent and so does not count. The Spokesman-Review and Lewiston Morning Tribune articles are brief, routine blurbs about her signing lightly refactored (as in, would absolutely fail our close-paraphrasing rules) from the same press release, and additionally are far from the SPORTSCRIT #5 requirement, let alone the SUSTAINED SIGCOV in multiple IRS sources required by GNG. I see zero reason to draftify considering her contract ended in 2022 and there is no evidence she continues to play professionally. JoelleJay (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, per above I mixed up third-party with tertiary, ie party and person. Agree the student newspaper isn't independent here, and given your reasoning that the subject hasn't been playing since 2022, best to redirect instead. CNC (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players : Agree with JoelleJay that this subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from multiple independent, reliable sources needed to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify, per Evans Reader of Information (talk) 15:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tzameret Fuerst

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Advert. all sources are PR, no in-depth personal coverage --Altenmann >talk 15:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The sources on Fuerst's page are terrible, and it's unclear if she meets WP:NBIO. However, her startup Circ MedTech absolutely meets WP:GNG, with WP:SIGCOV in New York Times, Haaretz, Tablet, VoA, Times of Israel, NoCamels, Reuters, among others. I'll go ahead and create Circ MedTech, and propose we redirect Fuerst to Circ MedTech. Longhornsg (talk) 22:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC) 05:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

please note and check that the start up got raft of criticism, allegedly unproven scientific benefits. It is mentioned briefly in the book "Thou Shalt Innovate" by Avi Jorisch, pp. 190-191, the book dedicated to the start up 33 words, the book discuss the greatest innovations that came out of Israel. And guess what ? Tzameret Fuerst not mentioned there, but the three founders of the company mentioned there. It is not her Start-Up, she was married to one of the founders. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A0D:6FC7:50E:22C2:778:5634:1232:5476 (talk)

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Delete: The circumcision device might be notable [5], but this person is only mentioned in context of the company or the device. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bellerose Composite High School

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Persistent vandalism, usually by students of the school, as well as only other editing being from school administrators, and all information listed being found as a first search engine result on their own school web-page. HyperNover (talk) 22:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shobha Ka Bas

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This is a small village, with no notability. The references are all general lists of places in the area. None of the references mentions this village for any event, occurrence, person who lives/lived there, or any other reason; they are all lists that include other villages and places in the area. There does not seem to be any reason to mention this place except that exists. Ira Leviton (talk) 22:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Populated places - and this is clearly one as it links to the Indian census - are notable under WP:GEOLAND. SportingFlyer T·C 01:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ferdinando Scala

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:ACADEMIC, and WP:AUTHOR. Google Search/Books/Scholar don't provide any significant coverage in independent sources. The tone is slightly promotional and unbalanced per WP:TOOMUCH, with clear WP:NOTCV issues and possible WP:COI editing. Gitz (talk) (contribs) 21:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Moog Model 15

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Wikipedia is not an advertizing tool. Information about this app can live as one line in the Moog wikipedia page and doesn't need a dedicated page. Warmonger123 (talk) 22:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Guy Roche

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The issues raised in the previous AfD remain valid. There isn't any significant coverage for this person. Frost 21:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is actually very sad, that the singers who sing the songs get all fame possible and people who write and produce the songs don't deserve neither media coverage, nor a wikipedia page. I would love to know who are the people behind the famous songs and famous people and I think that this kind of people deserve to be in wikipedia and wikipedia needs some other criterias instead of media coverage for us to be able to see them here. Warmonger123 (talk) 22:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Apart from brief mentions, still nothing found for this person. Nothing has changed since the last AfD it seems, I don't see any new sourcing that would change the notability. Oaktree b (talk) 22:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Community United Methodist Church of Pacific Palisades

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Per WP:NCHURCH needs to meet WP:GNG. The mere fact it burned down doesn't make it notable. Seems like something notable for one event, similar to what is described in WP:1E to me. —Matrix(!) _{ping one}^{when replying} {u - t? - _uselessc} 21:28, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Redirect targets could be United Methodist Church or List of Methodist churches#United States. Merge target could be Pacific Palisades, Los Angeles#Culture. This comment is not a vote in favor of deletion or redirection. jengod (talk) 21:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The church congregation founded the town in the 1920s. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 22:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I'm not seeing WP:GNG-qualifying coverage of the building. SportingFlyer T·C 22:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The building as a building need not have coverage. A "church" in common usage refers both to the congregation of people and the religious building in which it meets. Regardless, this coverage has been significantly expanded since nomination and appears to meet GNG with adequate RSes. Jclemens (talk) 00:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: It looks like the building had marginal historic notability and received substantial treatment by the local historical society ([6]). The congregation may have additional notability beyond the structure, considering the amount of material that went into the documentary. I'm inclined to believe most of it is locked away offline. Even still, a Google search exempting the word "fire" gives me hope that this is notable. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:42, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The LA Times and Roberts News sources clear WP:GNG separate from the coverage of its destruction. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dutch Gaitley

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I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV of this assistant basketball coach. JTtheOG (talk) 21:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Gabrielle Tuite

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Has had no significant roles in film or television. Fails WP:NACTRESS. No significant coverage in cited sources. I could find nothing but trivial mentions. Fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 21:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Vegas Blue (Brian Tarquin album)

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The reliability of the sources in the article is questionable. I'm unable to locate additional sources about this album, likely doesn't meet WP:NALBUM. Frost 21:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sources, including reviews in Jazz Weekly and Roots Music Review, are included. Popcornfan (talk) 01:18, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Peters (software engineer)

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While relatively well known in the Python community I'm not finding general reliable sources to establish notability. NE Ent 21:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

DELETE No notability for wikipedia, would be enough for pythonpedia thou. Warmonger123 (talk) 22:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Some coverage here: https://www.theregister.com/2024/08/09/core_python_developer_suspended_coc/ ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mir Dad Khan

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The article lacks evidence of notability. Only 2 references and that too primary references. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daniyal Raja (talk • contribs) 13:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kevin Thurm

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Article relies entirely on one source which is the website of the foundation which the subject directs. With zero independent sources, fails WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 21:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Roma Sztárparádé

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NALBUM. Could not find any other sources other than routine coverage/listings for the recording. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 22:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ana Candiotto

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Disputed PROD. Fails notability criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – I see WP:SIGCOV in the sources already presented (Globoesporte, Gazeta Esportiva, O Tempo), the player herself is not very famous but meets the criteria for the article. A quick Google search also turns up a lot of content. Svartner (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is coverage of both her singles and doubles career on several major Brazilian sports portals: [7] [8] [9] Svartner (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Svartner. Article needs a lot of work on subjective language. There have been several PRODS and AI generated tags put on its creator's other articles this week.Canary757 (talk) 08:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I accept coverage has now been found but I stand by the point that she is non-notable and the article itself is like a fan page full of Peacocking and puff and very little by way of actual facts. Shrug02 (talk) 10:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've made a tentative start to address the peacock tag Shrug02, will do a thorough one later.Canary757 (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Sydney Comets

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Redirect to NBL1 East as I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV for this semi-pro basketball team. JTtheOG (talk) 20:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mishbah Al-Mashuri

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Indonesian footballer appears to fail WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT; I can't find any WP:SIGCOV of this player (searching under both "Mishbah" and "Misbah"). Only stats pages, routine match coverage and brief transfer coverage is coming up. If you find anything else please ping me. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 07:28, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Canberra Nationals

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Redirect to NBL1 East as I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV for this semi-pro basketball team. JTtheOG (talk) 20:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexander Medvedev (ice hockey)

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Unscourced BLP for a player who never played in a major league and does not meet guidelines at WP:SPORTBASIC. Kimikel (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I couldn't find any sourcing on him aside from prospect sites. Conyo14 (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Possible keep. His Eurohockey profile indicates he played 25 years professionally. Surely there are sources in foreign languages? For example: Polish Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia, Ukrainian Wikipedia Searching in Russian for hockey-related articles is a bit difficult due to the businessman Alexander Medvedev's involvement in hockey. Alexander Medvedev (ice hockey) also coached the U18 national team for Iceland. Did anyone search in a foreign language? It's rather frustrating that nobody has mentioned what was searched. Providing more details is helpful for working together. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I tried searching in English articles as well as Icelandic. I did a basic search on the Belarusian Telegraph Agency and it yielded nothing. Plus the other wikis don't have sources that attribute to a WP:BLP article anyways. Conyo14 (talk) 19:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sal Villanueva

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Subject is only mentioned in passing in the one source. Could find no sources with WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:ANYBIO/ WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 20:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Spacing Guild

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WP:BEFORE didn't turn up multiple reliable sources that could achieve WP:SIGCOV. The past WP:AFD was closed after a dispute without enough sources. Any passing mentions are less than what is already covered at the (also poorly sourced) Organizations of the Dune universe. Jontesta (talk) 20:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep BEFORE appears to have missed Google Scholar:
- DiTommaso, Lorenzo. (1992). History and Historical Effect in Frank Herbert’s “Dune.” Science Fiction Studies, 19(3), 311–325. http://www.jstor.org/stable/4240179
  The link between faufreluches and the stagnation of technology is the enigmatic Spacing Guild, whose historical relationship with the Imperium is fundamentally symbiotic. Space travel is monopolized by the Guild, which controls most aspects of inter-planetary banking, economics, and military policy. In fact, it was a Guild-B.G. compact that placed Shaddam IV on the throne with his promise to keep the spice flowing and to continue to allow the Bene Gesserit breeding program. [...]Strangely, of all the power groups and institutions in Dune, it is only the parasitic Guild that could break methodology, since it has the absolute ability to move defeated or renegade Houses "outside the system" (15/18/18) or to Tupile, thus completely severing those Houses from the restrictions and demands of faufreluches
- Rudd, Amanda. (2016). Paul’s Empire: Imperialism and Assemblage Theory in Frank Herbert’s Dune. MOSF Journal of Science Fiction 1(1), 45-57.
  Paul begins to deconstruct Shaddam’s empire when he changes the relations of exteriority with the Spacing Guild. As Paul and the Fremen continue their attacks on the Harkonnen, their master plan is to so completely disrupt the mining and production of the all-important spice mélange that it will capture the undivided attention of the Spacing Guild and the Emperor. The Spacing Guild needs the spice because it fuels their ability to fold space and travel between planets. The Emperor needs the spice because it fuels the entire economy, and because without it the Spacing Guild will cut off his ability to travel as well. For decades, the Spacing Guild has been the power behind the throne, and even the Emperor must often bow to their demands. As Paul states to Shaddam, the Guild only permitted him to mount the throne on the assurance that the spice would continue to flow. This balance of power changes in the final chapter, with Paul. When Shaddam threatens Paul with an armada of ships from the Great Houses of the Landsraad ready to attack at any moment, Paul does not respond to the Emperor, but to the two Spacing guildsmen in the room, ordering them to “Get out there immediately and dispatch messages that will get that fleet on its way home” (Herbert, 1965, p. 475). The guildsmen respond by explaining that they do not take orders from him. In order to gain their attention, Paul threatens to destroy all spice production on Arrakis: “The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it,” explains Paul (Herbert, 1965, p. 477), and therefore the Spacing Guild is now also under his control.

There are more, of course. These are literally just the ~~first two~~ second and third entries for Google Scholar '"Spacing Guild" dune'. They show that the GNG is met because the subject is discussed in detail by multiple independent reliable sources. Jclemens (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Helicarrier

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This fails WP:SIGCOV. Most of the references are listicles that are either unreliable or not significant outside of discussions of Marvel and [S.H.I.E.L.D.]]. This could be redirected to S.H.I.E.L.D. with any passing mentions in sources that can be salvaged. Jontesta (talk) 20:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Irulil Ravanan

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Fails WP:NFILM. Looks like it was announced in 2023 and possibly principal photography began, but does not look like it is released and cannot find reliable sources showing the production is notable. CNMall41 (talk) 20:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable cast and crew, no release date, no information of the production status, fails WP:GNG.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 07:10, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nels Van Patten

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Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC and WP:GNG. He is only mentioned in passing in the articles currently used. His father and brother are notable. Appears to be a case of WP:NOTINHERITED.4meter4 (talk) 20:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lake Wobegon

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Most of the sources in this article are podcasts, websites, and other unreliable sources. The few sources that are reliable talk about A Prairie Home Companion more generally (which could be a redirect target). Once you remove all the unreliable / unsourced information, there is almost nothing to keep or even merge. Jontesta (talk) 20:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Plenty of WP:SIGCOV as a concept in-and-of-itself: [10] [11] [12] [13] [14] Additionally, the fact that it is the setting for a dozen books by Keillor. Definitely meets WP:FICTION; it is not so insignificant of a thing that it falls under WP:BKMERGE. To quote one of the above articles: "Breathes there a soul who hasn't heard of Lake Wobegon?" It had/has enough cultural relevance to be on its own and not simply merged into A Prairie Home Companion. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:35, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Josh Hallard

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Previously signed to League Two side AFC Wimbledon, now playing regional football with Three Bridges. Never made a league appearance, the highest level they played was Tier 6, and unsurprisingly coverage is WP:ROUTINE not WP:SIGCOV. CNC (talk) 20:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Little Blue Crunchy Things

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This article does not indicate how the band are notable per WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. It looks like they had some popularity around Milwaukee but I can't find significant discussion of them in other reliable sources. Google search brings up results in the usual social media sources and music databases but nothing that indicates they meet Wikipedia's criteria. ... discospinster _talk 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Blandings Castle

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WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage for this article to pass the Wikipedia:General notability guideline (nor the supporting Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) essay). Coverage mentions the series and the existence of the books, but without anything to say about the location other than plot summary. For people looking up the series, we can consider redirecting this to the author or one of his bibliography articles. Jontesta (talk) 20:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Here are some sources. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Lloyd, Daryl A., and Ian D. Greatbatch. "The search for Blandings". Journal of Maps 5.1 (2009): 126-133.
- Cohen, Debra Rae. "The Place of the Pig: Blandings, Barsetshire and Britain". Middlebrow Wodehouse. Routledge, 2017. 105-122.
- Wallace, Malcolm TV. "The Wodehouse World I: Classical Echoes." Cithara 12.2 (1973): 41.
- Hall Jr, Robert A. "Valley Fields". Wodehouse.org.
- Dean, Alan. "Blandings Castle; A Debt to Gertrude Jekyll." Notes & Queries 55.1 (2008).

Keep: This is a well-studied and celebrated location in English fiction. I have a book by N.T.P. Murphy called "In Search of Blandings: Who's Really Who and What's Where -- The Facts Behind the Wodehouse Fiction" (1986). It includes a 19-page chapter on Blandings Castle, analyzing the location as described in the novels, and suggesting real-life models that Wodehouse may have used to inform his settings. This book is already cited in the article, as reference #4. It's surprising that the nominator missed this reference in their analysis. Toughpigs (talk) 23:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Isaac Anderson (model)

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Refunded after soft deletion. All the sourcing on this fashion model is over-the-top promotional material, nearly all un-bylined, in sources of questionable independence and reliability (examples: Isaac Anderson 3000 is the modern Renaissance man, blending intellect, sustainability, and fashion into a tapestry that feels revolutionary yet timeless and Isaac Anderson is celebrated not only as a fashion icon but also as a trailblazer who has redefined the fashion landscape.) In my WP:BEFORE search, I couldn't find any WP:SIGCOV in independent, secondary, reliable sources and so I don't see a pass of WP:GNG (much less WP:NMODEL). Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep — @Dclemens1971.This sounds like a target to me though I might be wrong . I was doing some checks and I realized you’re the same editor that did that first nomination. The reason for both nominations are the same. For the first nomination I completely agree as the reasons as at that time was valid but I have a problem with this one. “All sources are over-the top promotional” this is not true if you check all the sources. One source was even talking about a scam call, how’s a scam call promotional for a model? Secondly you said nearly all unbylined. This is also not true. I can see only one source unbyline(the first source). For the promotional words you wrote , yes true it sounds promotional but even that that’s the conclusion of the article and the promotional is not throughout every article as you stated. You also said the sources’ independence is questionable. In a discussion by experienced editors about countries which are affected by system bias , some these sources were discussed. This is the link , https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana & https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Nigeria/Nigerian_sources . The subject has been featured in a notable show(CBS morning show). I think it should be included in the English Encyclopedia. Maconzy3 (talk) 17:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I was referring to the content in my BEFORE search, most of which was unbylined. But multiple sources in the article are indeed unbylined. Here's my source analysis:
Vanguard. No byline. Highly promotional.

Modern Ghana. Bylined but also highly promotional. This reads like marketing, not an independent, reliable news outlet. The author appears to have written only this article for Modern Ghana, so is likely not to be a reporter or a legitimate journalist.

PeaceFM. No byline. Promotional. Appears to be based entirely on quotes from Anderson.

Pulse. Bylined, but very promotional, by an "journalist" whose entire oeuvre appears to consist of spam.

CBS News. This is an article about Anderson's brother with a three-sentence WP:TRIVIALMENTION of Isaac Anderson.

GhanaCelebrities.com. An unreliable celebrity gossip blog.

Graphic.com.gh. Another puff piece.
Perhaps this is the discussion you meant to link? Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Nigerian_newspapers. It makes clear that the Nigerian sources list of the WikiProject is questionable. Either way, all we have on Anderson are puff pieces, unbylined or by writers with sketchy credentials, or articles that mention him trivially. No independent and reliable SIGCOV. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
About bylined and unbylined. You can only say multiple if it’s two or more. Only one which is vanguard Nigeria is Unbylined. For PeaceFM it’s at the buttom. It shows it’s from Isaac Anderson/Peacefm. So definitely an interview reporting but it is not promotional. The vanguard news has a promotional tone for that I agree. You said modernghana.com has a questionable independence, I’d advice you do research on things you’re not familiar with. Modernghana is one of the biggest news sites in Ghana although their reliability in this discussion (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana ) is unclear. Even that I agree that it has a promotional tone but not marketing but I think educating you previously was important. The CBS news was only used to verify the subject’s education as it was mentioned. The Graphic newspaper is state owned newpaper that is considered generally reliable according to this (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:New_pages_patrol/Source_guide_discussions/Ghana ) . You also shared a link to a discussion. The discussion was about Nigerian sources not Ghanaian. The only Nigerian source here is Vanguard. I agree with you on few things but your generalization and exaggeration is making it hard for me to agree completely. I think some sources should be removed but I still stand that on my point that the article should be kept. Maconzy3 (talk) 05:39, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I read the PeaceFM attribution of "Source" to Anderson to be the photos of Anderson, but if you're saying that Isaac Anderson wrote that piece, it's even less eligible to demonstrate notability since it's not remotely independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nominator's reason and source analysis. Ibjaja055 (talk) 08:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Still the flowery language in sources, "emerging force in the fashion world" [15]... With no coverage, likely hasn't emerged far enough yet... Delete for PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 22:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom. Promotional article without independent significant coverage. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:40, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lars B. Andersen

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Non-notable businessman fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO. Sources are:

WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS of him in the context of his company ([16], [17], [18], [19])
WP:PRIMARYSOURCES ([20], [21], [22], [23])
More trivial mentions in the context of a GWR attempt that has since been superseded or his election activities.

Nothing else qualifying came up in a WP:BEFORE search, and the civic appointments are not so rare that they constitute awards per WP:ANYBIO #1. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - non-notable businessman. No WP:SIGCOV, trivial mentions in media; 'civic appointments' aren't notable (anyone working in the City can become a "Freeman of the City"). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 00:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's not true.

There are three grounds for Freedom of the City. 1. Nomination by Worshipful Company, 2. Nomination by two liverymen of the City of London or 3. By invitation.

You can't simply apply. Teacher2019 (talk) 09:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That is untrue. The City of London website says: "There are several ways to apply for the Freedom: by servitude, by patrimony, by nomination or by presentation via a Livery Company.... Persons who have been on the City of London Electoral Roll for a minimum of one year may obtain the Freedom without the need for an application visit or Common Council approval. There is no fee in such cases and applicants should advise that they are on the Ward List.... Applications are made via email..." Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:03, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the update. Yes, that confirms the 3 grounds I mentioned which are 'servitude, by patrimony, by nomination or by presentation via a Livery Company'. The other way to obtain the freedom of the city is if you live there, not 'anyone working in the City'. So we are both correct in different ways :) However, according to the City of London article 'the City has a small resident population of 8,583 based on 2021 census figures'.

FYI I am still a relative newbie navigating my way around WP so forgive transgressions of the usual protocol! Teacher2019 (talk) 14:06, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"By nomination" is as simple as any two electors nominating someone. It really isn't in any way a big deal (as opposed to honorary freedom of the city). Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article had some broken links, and they are now fixed. WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS: articles from government sites and major label magazine with picture of him seems not to be trivial. Found and added mentions from Portuguese [[24]] and US main newsmedia sources [[25]][[26]] with interviews (see article). Multiple articles discuss him at length as the subject of the article, so article fulfils WP:GNG and WP:NBASIC: significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. Zralba (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The government sites are discussions of his company that trivially mention him. The Labels and Labelling magazines source is a WP:TRADES publication that is considered non-independent. The Q&A WP:INTERVIEWS you linked are WP:PRIMARYSOURCES since they consist entirely of his answers; they are not independent sources and do not count toward notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This person meets the notability criteria with significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject. That he was selected by the now UK prime minister (who must have visited many companies that day) is significant and adds to notability. Teacher2019 (talk) 13:45, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could you outline what you regard as WP:SIGCOV, please? There are a total of 11 sources. One is passing mention - literally a caption on a photo. Two are about the company he is CEO of getting an award - but notability is not inherited. Three just cite membership of organisations or positions held. Another is just passing mention in a "thank you" speech. Another is about an ancestor. One cites his wife's name. That essentially leaves two references. Meanwhile, there are five 'citation needed' tags currently on the article. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 14:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. This page is pretty much an advertisement. My very best wishes (talk) 02:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- I think the subject of the article does show to be involved in at senhor levels ie various institutions as part of the City of London and its unique heritage. My personal research of the subject lead me here and has added my research. Charliecroft (talk) 11:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - for the reason me ruined earlier I think there is genuine notability in the context of City of London Livery history Charliecroft (talk) 11:46, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I mentioned earlier. Apologies auto correct

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Rather unusual to see an editor who had made two edits, ever, return after a 16 year gap to participate in an AfD... Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Toxic: A Fairy Tale for Grown-Ups

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Fails WP:NFILM. After multiple draftifications of the name variations this has been created under, an attempt at a redirect, now here we are. Nothing notable about the production and film still has no release date. Was scheduled for April and now nothing is confirmed. Would suggest a redirect or draftify but again, those WP:ATD have been explored. CNMall41 (talk) 20:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Previous deletion discussion here under one of the alternative names. Also see Draft:Toxic (2025 Film) (declined in November), Toxic (Indian film), Draft:Toxic (film) and Draft:Toxic (2025 Indian film). Other drafts have been merged or deleted under other names and I cannot find the history of those at this point. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like the main difference from the past AfD is that the film has commenced and completed filming. The big question though is if the coverage is in-depth enough to pass NFF. Unfortunately a lot of pre-release coverage (unless it's some majorly huge blockbuster) tends to be based on a couple of press releases. India related films seem to be particularly prone to this. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 21:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Although I will say in this version's defense, this is better sourced than the one declined at AfC and the one that was previously deleted at AfD. It's all going to depend on whether the sourcing gives a good depth of coverage. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 21:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

100% better referenced. The issue, which you talked about, is the quality of the press. A lot of this is churnalism, pre-release promotion, and WP:NEWSORGINDIA. I don't see significant coverage about the production and since it has not yet been released (and as of now we don't know if it will - the best clue is "possibly" December 2025) so there isn't even a review for it. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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International Discworld Convention

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WP:BEFORE only showed unreliable sources such as blogs and fan sites, or other passing mentions. This does not have reliable secondary sources to achieve WP:SIGCOV. Jontesta (talk) 19:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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(33128) 1998 BU48

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Does not seem to meet WP:NASTCRIT. Cremastra (u — c) 19:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep it has been part of small scale studies and has had its spectrum analysed [27][28] and also there is an occultation prediction [29]. --C messier (talk) 21:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: there's enough mention in studies to indicate at least marginal notability. It has a large magnitude range and a slow rotation period, which suggests it is a contact binary with high probability.[30] Praemonitus (talk) 06:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lebanese Aramaic

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"Lebanese Aramaic" is an unattested variety and the term is not used in the literature — the article fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NOR. It relies almost entirely on an article by a Maronite cultural association (and even it does not use the term "Lebanese Aramaic"), which is not a valid scholarly source (WP:SOURCE) and contains fringe views that are very far outside of the linguistic consensus such as that that "West" Syriac is an "Aramaized" descendent of Caananite. None of the other sources used in the article mention "Lebanese Aramaic", but rather Aramaic or Syriac — the "history" of the alleged variety is collated (violating WP:SYNTH) from discussions of Aramaic and Syriac in general, not from "Lebanese Aramaic" specifically. Most of the linguistic content of the article does not discuss "Lebanese Aramaic" (as this variety is unattested and thus undescribed), but rather Syriac or even Lebanese Arabic. In the previous discussion from December 2023 on whether the article should be deleted, two users came out in favour of keeping it, leading to a "no consensus" result and the article being kept. However, at no point did either of the two users touch on any of the of the arguments against keeping the article (i.e. in actually referencing editorial policy), with one user even making the false claim that Lebanese Arabic is primarily descended from Aramaic ("the current spoken Lebanese is a continuation of Surien"). No valid sources have been added since the discussion in December 2023. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 17:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep concerns from the nominator not withstanding, it seems that if there is an issue here, the best route is going to try and clean it up first before deletion. Perhaps there are other references out there. There seem to be many in this article, and this definitely does not appear to be original research. I find it hard to believe that a language that existed for hundreds of years cannot pass GNG standards. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 18:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As said, the article does have references, but they crucially do not discuss "Lebanese Aramaic" at all, as this is not a term used in the literature, meaning their use violates NOR. Western Aramaic and Syriac are both attested languages — "Lebanese Aramaic" is not. saɪm duʃan Talk|Contribs 18:21, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- If that's true, then it shouldn't hurt to wait just to be safe to ensure there isn't something else out there mentioning Lebanese Aramaic. Happy to change my opinion if no one comes forward with new information. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 23:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment - as a 2nd nomination already existed prior to this at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lebanese Aramaic (2nd nomination), I have moved this to a 3rd nomination page Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: As already discussed in the previous nominations both Wardini and Bawardi specifically mention the subject along with various other sources in the page describing a distinct dialect. This seems to be more of an issue with other sources and deleting the entire page itself because of this would be overkill rather than an improvement. Red Phoenician (talk) 05:07, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Whyte III

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Sources only mention the subject in passing. Fails WP:SIGCOV. 4meter4 (talk) 19:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. No reliable sources come up in Google News or Google Books; fails WP:NBIO. Notability aside, the whole article is promotional to the point of not being worth keeping. --Richard Yin (talk) 20:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jessie Louisa Whitman

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This is a pretty clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. Her recollections about her uncle are of interest to scholars on Walt Whitman but she herself is of no importance. The sourcing isn't there to pass WP:GNG. A possible WP:ATD would be a selective merge and redirect to Walt Whitman. 4meter4 (talk) 19:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Redirect~~ Merge - after pulling some information from her profile. I have added a few more sources, but I am unable to find anything more (and nothing that would separate her from her uncle). DaffodilOcean (talk) 21:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean A redirect is currently not a viable option as Jessie Louisa Whitman is not mentioned at all in the Walt Whitman article. This is why I suggested a selective merge as an ATD because content on her would need to be added to that page in order for a redirect to exist.4meter4 (talk) 22:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@4meter4 - sorry I was not clear. What I meant was that we should pull information from her article and put it into the article on Walt Whitman. Once that is done, set up a redirect from her name to the Whitman article. DaffodilOcean (talk) 22:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DaffodilOcean That would be a merge as we define it at AFD. You should change your vote to reflect that.4meter4 (talk) 22:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done, sorry for the confusion. DaffodilOcean (talk) 00:15, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Plenty of hits in Gbooks for her name, but she's only briefly mentioned, talking about Walt. Could be perhaps a brief mention in his article, nothing outside of that. Oaktree b (talk) 22:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kioumars Pourhashemi

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Doesn't seem to be that important. All references are in passing or about his death, probably can be mentioned as a section in 2024 Battle of Aleppo Ladsgroup^overleg 17:37, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I made this article because I believe he was an important figure in a very important event that led to the downfall of Syria. History is important. Yesyesmrcool (talk) 17:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Can be considered as a soldier killed in action. He is merely a member of the IRGC forces involved in the 2024 Battle of Aleppo, but not a key member. Jeeputer ^Talk 17:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep - on one hand, his rank of Second brigadier general (Iran) does not automatically pass WP:MIL, but he was not an ordinary soldier. On the other hand, he did get WP:SIGCOV in the Jerusalem Post and other reliable media. Bearian (talk) 03:22, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep(?) Quoting from this page: "Researchers Hassan Hassan and Michael Weiss argued that Pourhashemi's death -along with a number of other senior officers- greatly contributed to the collapse of the loyalist defenses of Aleppo." Sounds like a credible claim to lasting significance, though it depends on how much is being carried by the "other senior officers". Koopinator (talk) 09:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrew Weinreich

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None of the articles are directly about the subject. Coverage is trivial. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO.4meter4 (talk) 19:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep or merge to SixDegrees.com mentioned in [31], [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], as one of the earlier social networking entrepreneurs. Andre🚐 07:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cheater Slicks

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I've been looking around some third-party sources, trying to validate notability for this topic for quite a while, and have not been able to find anything concrete or substantial enough to validate this article existing. The only point on WP:NBAND that this subject seems to meet is point #5 regarding independent record labels. I do not see that being enough to validate this article existing. Steel1943 (talk) 19:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The subject meets WP:NBAND#1. Multiple independent reliable sources have covered the band over a sustained period. Including Allmusic staff bio and multiple album reviews; multiple album reviews in CMJ, and Exclaim!, an WP:RSMUSIC, called them the "kings of negative energy rock". A quick search identified a number of citations which have been added to the article. ResonantDis_tortion 20:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Blistermud

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No evidence of notability. WP:SIGCOV is lacking, WP:NMUSIC isn't met.

Also nominating the band's album article for the same reason.

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Conservative Anglican Church of North America

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I find no evidence that this organization passes WP:GNG or ever did. Its website is inactive, but archived versions ([37], [38]) have no listing of member congregations, and it appears that if it ever did have congregations they must have been very few. It is not mentioned in the two standard reference works on American Christian denominations (Kurian & Lamport or Melton, and Melton includes even the very smallest denominations). There is a single mention of it in a New York Times article about a church it supposedly recognized in Venezuela. It existed, that much is true, but beyond that anything that can be said about it fails WP:V. It doesn't reach GNG and it doesn't even reach the looser threshold described at WP:RELIGIONOUTCOMES. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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James Armson

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WP:PROD was overturned as User:Telfordbuck said that the player had not played in a professional league, which User:Spiderone removed, interpreting it as a reference to the defunct WP:NFOOTY. I've seen hundreds of articles made by User:Das osmnezz, and what I've noticed is that they are often vague on why a player should be considered notable and seem to put the WP:BURDEN on others to do the legwork and investigate minor figures. What we've got from the page is that a local newspaper considered him one of the most important players at the mighty Nuneaton Borough, then he signed for Solihull Moors, then one season later Brackley Town. He won the FA Trophy at Brackley, a competition for teams in the fifth to eighth levels of English football. A handicap tournament excluding the best 92 teams. No sources have been provided for if he was an exceptional individual part of that success. I think we need exceptional coverage to establish notability for someone whose highest level of football was the fifth level, and who has spent the last decade in the sixth. That hasn't been provided and I can't find it. There's BBC coverage of a hat-trick against Gillingham, [39] a bigger but not exactly massive club, in 2016 but surely that's WP:BLP1E as 15 minutes of fame in an ordinary career. BBC local radio (not national) have this article on a man of the same name in the local area who runs a youth charity, but it doesn't identify him as a footballer, and I don't think social workers asking for donations pass WP:GNG [40] Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Plus if we are going on the logic he was an exceptional player at his previous club, that is obviously open to interpretation based on the observer.

If that is the case, where do we stop? You could have thousands of pages created but would not be kept up to date. This one is an example as he moved to AFC Telford over 6 months ago.

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Clearly significant player in English lower leagues with sources and the youth charity person is the same person as the footballer. Telfordbuck's logic does not make sense because most players who played their career in non-league do not have much sources. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 22:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Plays at a minor level, we need extensive sourcing... One decent article, the rest are simply confirmation of charity work or the like. I don't see notability, based on the lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 22:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Maryann Ridini Spencer

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Don't see evidence she meets WP:GNG, no significant RS coverage. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 18:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ashley Wright (snooker player)

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No notable success in pro game. Very short career. Fails GNG. Canary757 (talk) 18:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Edward Bradbrooke

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Bare mentions only, as in previous AFD. — Moriwen (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Two of the references clearly state personal information about him and not just bare mentions. Furthermore he represented Great Britain, England and competed at the Commonwealth games, I can't see an issue with notability because of this. ApricotFoot (talk) 17:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I can see practically all except one is a paid subscription, making it hard to verify. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment ref examples, ref2 states = The high jump was won by Edward Bradbrooke of Cambridge University and the Achilles Club. he is the son of Dr Bradbrooke of Bletchley and has represented England. He cleared 6 feet. ref 9 states= A memorable Event: The athletic sports were of their usual excellence and the last event, the high jump will not be forgotten by the spectators whose rapt attention was held by a duel between Edward Bradbrooke and E Turner, of Earlstown Viaduct, both of whom were due on the morrow to start on the journey across the Atlantic to represent their country.ApricotFoot (talk) 18:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Manuel Rodríguez Villegas

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Not notable. No significant new events since 2016 deletion. — Moriwen (talk) 17:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- There are many articles like this that should be deleted and no one is arguing for them to be deleted. There are biographies of athletes, new actors in the same situation and no one is suggesting deleting them. I don't think it should be deleted. The person has very good sources and the writing is different now than when it was first deleted.

There are relevant works such as new novels and contributions from academic works so I don't think it should be deleted. Yovanmartinez (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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The Monmouth Journal

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This article fails WP:NCORP and violates WP:NOTADVERTISING. Eric Schucht (talk) 17:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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David Combs

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There isn't any significant coverage by reliable sources for this individual. Doesn't meet WP:NMUSIC or WP:NBASIC. A draft also exists at Draft:David Combs. Frost 17:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nom. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:41, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mobasseri

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Nonnotable unreferenced surname with nonverifiable aryticle content. --Altenmann >talk 17:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Rawandiz

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I can find no evidence for this 1832 "Battle of Rawandiz" or "Battle of Rawanduz". Most sources cited don't even mention the year 1832. I have not been able to find other sources which verify this article. Fram (talk) 17:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom This article seems to read like a story or essay. Possibly a copy of a piece of fiction, I am not sure. User has a history for creating things like these, see this. I do not see any other sources for this. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 17:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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There’s even an article on Soran Emirate talking about this battle here: Soran emirate MHD1234567890 (talk) 22:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

?? The article doesn't mention 1832 or the Battle of Rawandiz. Never mind that another Wikipedia article isn't a reliable source anyway... Fram (talk) 08:00, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Greater Cochin

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WP:CFORK of Greater Cochin Development Authority. Google News primarily returns results related to GCDA rather than a region referred to as "Greater Cochin". The term is uncommon and is rarely used or recognized by the general public or media. A purely technical term adopted by GCDA for defining their jurisdiction. The Doom Patrol (talk) 16:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Currensea

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Non-notable fintech startup, fails WP:NCORP. Sources are as follows:

Routine WP:ORGTRIV (capital raises, product launches, etc.) - does not establish notability under NCORP: [41], [42], [43], [44], [45].
WP:PRIMARYSOURCES: [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52], [53], [54], [55].
WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS: [56], [57].
Unreliable sources: Forbes contributor (see WP:FORBESCON), deprecated source (see WP:THESUN).
Press released-based churnalism ([[58]]) and PR-driven articles in WP:TRADES publications: [59], [60].

I didn't find any other qualifying coverage in my WP:BEFORE search. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Martin Smith (academic)

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Please click the blue button that says "show" to reveal my rationale.𝔓^420°𝔓^Holla 16:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.mdx.ac.uk/_samllogin/mdx-intranet?url=https%3A//www.s.mdx.ac.uk/about-us/our-people/staff-directory/profile?name=smith-emily	~ Former employer but there is probably some editorial oversight on their website	Has a press in good standing I think?	404 error and I couldn't retrieve it from the Internet Archive	✘ No
http://www.cybsoc.org/contacts.htm	Website of the organisation that he was the leader of	Nothing at WP:RS and the website is no longer live	Website 404 error	✘ No
http://www.cybsoc.org/contacts/people-Smith.htm	Website of the organisation that he was the leader of	Nothing at WP:RS and the website is no longer live	Website 404 error	✘ No
https://www.emeraldgrouppublishing.com/journal/k?id=k#editorial-team	The source doesn't mention the subject so it's independent in that regard .	Emerald Group Publishing appears to be in good standing	Doesn't mention the subject	✘ No
https://wosc.co/board-of-directors/	Website of an organisation whose board he sat on.	No discussion at WP:RS that I am aware of	Just a mention in a primary source	✘ No
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Lukáš Hurt

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Biography of a trade journalist and cannabis activist fails WP:GNG/WP:NBIO for lack of WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources. The sources in the article (and found in WP:BEFORE) are either WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, non-independent, or database sources. He also fails to qualify under any criterion of WP:NCHESS. (Translated from cz-wiki and no comment on notability standards there, but this falls short for en-wiki.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:06, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – Can you find any trade journalist and activist that actually meets WP:GNG? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:14, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Like Rosa Parks? There are a ton of activists that were notable. Oaktree b (talk) 22:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cubes Entertainments

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Previously draftified, so WP:DRAFTOBJECT prevents unilateral return to Draft. However, this production company fails WP:NFILMMAKER and WP:NCORP certainly as presented here. References are 100% passing mentions. If this can be rescued per WP:HEY, please do so. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Prior AfD was very recent. I do not have admin goggles to see the prior version, however this may be a CSD candidate as recreation of material previously deleted at AfD 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – even if this is not the same article as the version deleted before, it has the exact same problems with lack of notability that were shown in that AfD. --bonadea contributions talk 17:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: while we might not be able to tell if the article is substantially different, the notability issue is not. I can find no evidence of new coverage that would aid in demonstrating a claim to notability. Bobby Cohn (talk) 19:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The previous nomination was closed only 2 months ago. There is no difference from the previous version.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 07:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Minerva Project

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The notability seems redundant with Minerva University. 🄻 🄰 15:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - the article should focus on demonstrating its notability with independent, reliable sources and maintaining a neutral tone. Adding more detailed information about its programs, achievements, and impact, while following Wikipedia's style guidelines, would improve its quality and relevance. --RodrigoIPacce (talk) 19:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect - I can't tell how this is notable, apart from the "University", and there's no explicit allegation of notability or reason given why this fork was created. Bearian (talk) 03:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. Agree with the above, seems like this is just what the entity was called early in its history when it was a "project" rather than an actual university. No reason for a separate article when it's already covered sufficiently in the history section of the main article. MCE89 (talk) 20:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Genocide in the Hebrew Bible

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Per prior discussion(s) on article talk (which have stalled out for several weeks), this article is essentially a largely OVERLAP’d POVFORK with serious neutrality issues. The discussion of this topic is already extensively covered and properly sourced in articles such as War in the Hebrew Bible, The Bible and violence, and Judaism and violence; as is the modern day relevance of particular passages in Amalek. The contents of these discussions are neither so long that they warrant SIZESPLIT, nor are they so notable as to require a page outside their discussions on the relevant pages. Sinclairian (talk) 15:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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In case it wasn’t obvious, my vote lies on delete/merge. Sinclairian (talk) 18:03, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. All of this is covered on other articles. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep. I don't see an argument for deletion here. I see no evidence that the article is so rife with neutrality that WP:TNT is appropriate. Nobody has disputed notability, only where this material should be covered - which is not a matter for AfD, particularly when multiple plausible merge targets exist. AfD cannot replace normal talk page discussion. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep. Vanamonde93 sums the situation up perfectly. Per WP:DEL-CONTENT: Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases. The content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used first, such as listing on Wikipedia:Requests for comments for further input (my emph., and again per V93, the neutrality concerns are insufficiently egregious (by spades) to qualify for the level of severity required to warrant deletion, especially when alternatives are available). Talk page discussion and possible merge/redirects do not take place at AfD. SerialNumber54129^{A New Face in Hell} 18:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or merge to the Bible and violence. I question whether this page scope is fundamentally a SYNTHetic premise. The word "genocide" isn't mentioned in anything as old as the bible, as that word dates to 1944. It's true that we could still have an article about a modern concept of this. But, should we, or would this be handled better elsewhere? I don't see enough detail or sources in depth about this specific topic to handle as a separate article, personally, so I'm ending up here. Andre🚐 19:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not WP:SYNTH if other people have already applied the modern concept of genocide to the stories told in the Hebrew Bible. That by itself doesn't mean that an article with this title is the best place to talk about the subject, of course, but the idea isn't original. XOR'easter (talk) 19:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of sources, totaling hundreds of pages, that were cited in the original version of the article and have more than enough content to support an extensive article. (t · c) buidhe 03:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep per vanamonde. (t · c) buidhe 03:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural keep per vanamonde Codonified (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. This is almost certainly better covered as a section of War in the Hebrew Bible, but that's a content issue that doesn't really belong at AfD. None of the potential issues require deletion. Eluchil404 (talk) 03:50, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, making sure any usable content is covered at Amalek, The Bible and violence and War in the Hebrew Bible. BobFromBrockley (talk) 22:41, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is a content fork to War in the Hebrew Bible. My very best wishes (talk) 02:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree with Andre that this is WP:synth and WP:OR. It is a Bible study rather than an Encyclopedia article. It contains no agreed upon definition of genocide, so there is no way to tell if the topic is notable - or if it is even valid. "If the modern concept of genocide has been discussed" is not sufficient to warrant an article on it. This article is not neutral. It takes a position: Mainstream biblical scholarship does not regard this part of the Bible to be faithfully depicting historical events. However, it could still be concluded that God commanded genocide. Which, btw, is the opposite of what the cited source says about encouraging scholars to take seriously the widely held conclusion that ideology alone is an inadequate explanation for genocide. If this article isn't deleted, the content should be wiped, and someone without a bone to pick should redo the entire thing from scratch. Please don't merge it as is. It's too poorly done. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural keep per Vanamonde93 – Beyond the lack of a straightforward deletion reason, or evidence of an intractible issue as discussed on talk, the main suggestion here appears to be for a merger, but this would have been better handled with a merger discussion. On the matter of mergers, both War in the Hebrew Bible and The Bible and violence are already lengthy pages that are approaching the size where they would potentially be candidates for a split in any case, so the benefits of such a merger – let alone the question of whether the material presented here would be due on those pages – merits a proper, dedicated discussion. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:47, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I’ve come to realize that a merger proposal should have been the initial course of action, but I didn’t know such a procedure existed at the time. I figure that I’ll let this discussion run its course just in case there’s a sudden spike in discussion, and then create a merger proposal once this is actually closed. Sinclairian (talk) 13:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. If a an article with a blatant and strong POV fails to satisfy notability : it definitely is better off deleted for possible malicious intent. But that really isn't the case with Google Scholar returning 90k hits of the two terms being used together , whenever from the perspective of religious theology or its cultural and ethical influences. The article has some nice reputable sources to build on too.

The word 'Genocide' isn't even a century old , but that still doesn't mean that the various attempts to erase entire identities by eliminating its people through either assimilation or mass destruction didn't happen before 1944. Dismissing the article because calling man-made wipeouts before the Holocaust is "anachronistic" isn't really a sound reason as it seems, especially when Lemkin himself used the Albigensian Crusade as an example in his works when he conceived the concrete concept of genocide that we know today , and we already have many ancient precedents. All that means a very rudimentary , no-legalese concept of genocide can indeed go back far enough to Biblical times ; the Bronze and Iron Ages.

Just because an article's initial revisions may seem 'biased' to some editors , doesn't mean we can just do away with it entirely. We can instead simply rewrite it from scratch if need be. The article has potential for interesting content , and the case for deletion isn't really that solid. TheCuratingEditor (talk) 12:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Procedural keep as discussed above. The sourcing is fine and the topic appears notable. Neutrality is another issue, but it's not for AfD to decide. Oaktree b (talk) 16:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Responsibility Assignment Narrative

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After a quick BEFORE, I have been unable to find evidence that this topic meets GNG. "Responsibility Assignment Narrative" has no hits on Google Scholar, ProQuest, or JSTOR. The only search results on Google seem to be unreliable and/or published by the author. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 15:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Couldn't find any meaningful mentions other than by the authors — seems like this is a specific academic approach/framework that just never really caught on elsewhere in the field (not to mention the fact that the article is self-admittedly an AI-generated essay) MCE89 (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moliere Dimanche

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Articles for deletion/Moliere Dimanche

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This is a copy of Draft:Moe Dimanche which the creator of both articles, User:NovembersHeartbeat, submitted to Articles for Creation back in September. This user has now made a new article, Moliere Dimanche, to bypass the AfC process, and redirected Moe Dimanche to lead back to this article. I have suspicions about WP:COI that I have expressed on NovembersHeartbeat's talk page (Dimanche is running to be Governor of Florida, which provides a clear motivation). NovembersHeartbeat also created Dimanche v. Brown for a legal case Dimanche was prominent within, and I am now also considering this for deletion. I would like some external advice on whether any of these articles pass WP:GNG as I am not well versed on American legal stuff like this. Spiralwidget (talk) 14:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for initiating this discussion. I would like to address some concerns raised in the nomination statement: My contributions to Wikipedia have been neutral, informative, and edited by Admins. I like editing on Wikipedia because I like spreading knowledge. My contributions include the Federal Magistrates Act, the JUDGES Act, and I'm currently putting together a page on the concept of Unsettled Law. These are topics that serve public interest and make people wiser, and why people rely on wikipedia more than any other source of enlightenment. This user SpiralWidget on the other hand has had his pages deleted because he abandoned them for 6 months. I take the spread of knowledge seriously, and I am grateful for the opportunity to do so.

Redirects and Related Articles: The user SpiralWidget says he has conflict of interest concerns, which were addressed when he first started editing the page Moe Dimanche. I think his primary reason for nominating the article for deletion is because it is a duplicate page. However, the wikipedia deletion policy specifically says

"If two pages are duplicates or otherwise redundant, one should be merged and redirected to the other, using the most common, or more general page name. This does not require process or formal debate beforehand."

But SpiralWidget moved the redirect page anyway because he wanted a formal discussion. The redirect Moe Dimanche was created to aid navigation for users searching under this common nickname. As for Dimanche v. Brown, it is a separate topic with its own independent notability, as demonstrated by coverage in legal publications and its significance in state-level jurisprudence. These articles serve distinct purposes and are appropriately created. 2. Conflict of Interest: I have no personal or professional connection to Moliere Dimanche. The article was written to document a notable public figure in compliance with Wikipedia’s WP:COI and WP:NPOV guidelines. This was already explained to SpiralWidget, even though I do not owe him an explanation. I came across Mr. Dimanche's YouTube videos after a judge in my city reopened a death investigation into a death of an inmate at a local prison. The only videos I could find on that inmate were done by Mr. Dimanche's Youtube channel and I learned more about him and asked why there wasn't a wikipedia page about him. So I decided to do it, as I began to follow what was going on with him. I welcome further discussion on how to improve the article and ensure compliance with Wikipedia's policies. I hope my contributions to Wikipedia demonstrate how serious I am about expanding knowledge in the areas of law and civil rights. I hope to help those looking to navigating complex legal theories and civil rights. NovembersHeartbeat (talk) 16:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This wall of text isn't going to advance your case. Please don't accuse other editors of vandalism without evidence. Cutlass ^Ciera 18:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails GNG. Cutlass ^Ciera 18:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Marginally Keep While I share suspicions that this is self-promotion by the primary contributor or meatpuppetry by the subject, I find that this does meet the general criteria for inclusion. Though not all the detail is necessary, the case cited does lend credence to the idea that the case and the subject of the case is notable enough; the precedent set is not nontrivial. Given the numerous local sources (admittedly probably pushing their own agenda), I think it marginally meets the threshold for inclusion. I would strongly advise User:NovembersHeartbeat to back off for a few days and likewise recant/strike his remarks about "vandalism". This is not "your" article. It is open to anyone to edit and improve within our guidelines. Buffs (talk) 22:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marginal keep When I first came across this draft in AfC, I refrained from reviewing as the notability seemed marginal–it could've gone both ways. However, I do feel that there are some significant coverage of him as an artist, but this article needs to be ridden of fluff and promotion. [61] I also found this book by Nicole R. Fleetwood that discusses his art in detail. Ca ^{talk to me!} 02:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982)

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This AfD might be the same issue as Juan Alberto Ramírez that was nominated back in November. Even by searching for his name in combination of clubs he played for, I did not find any significant coverage of Paolo Rossi (footballer, born 1982) to meet WP:GNG. He only played one match for Torino in 2001/02 season, one of the professional football clubs in Italy, before moving to amateur leagues then disappeared for over two decades. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – The fact that he is a homonym hinders the search, but it is still possible to confirm the athlete's career at the first levels of Italian football. [62], [63], [64]. Svartner (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. Sources above from Svartner are 2 x database and 1 x profile from the league he played in. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ilcalcio provides detailed information, but I agree that more informative sources are missing. Svartner (talk) 07:26, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Van der Bellen family

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:UNSOURCED WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Van der Bellen family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The family has seen various coverage in press [65] and books [66] [67] so that its notability passes GNG. Axisstroke (talk) 11:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These are not enough to pass GNG. The first one is not about the family, but rather about an individual member. The second is about a "Van der Bellen family" in the sense of a nuclear family, not the whole noble family. The last snippet of text is not long enough to understand the context in which "Van der Bellen family" is being used. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, these two passing mentions are not WP:SIGCOV. The second is a snippet from Alexander Van der Bellen's family history. But just because he's the current president of Austria doesn't mean his entire family going back centuries is now suddenly notable. Given the fact that presidents in Austria are elected, while noble families establish membership by birth, these two things are still entirely unrelated, or only trivially related. NLeeuw (talk) 13:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Right there are previous several notable members of the family listed in the baltic biographical lexicon. Axisstroke (talk) 21:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Besides named president: Aleksander von der Bellen [68] [69], Gustav Friedrich Eduard von der Bellen [70], Eugen von der Bellen [71] and the familiy entry [72]. Axisstroke (talk) 09:52, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - AfD is not for improvement. There are three notable members of the family who are name-checked in the article, and more found since. That's enough for me. Bearian (talk) 04:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This family has received a significant amount of attention. The Austrian president isn't its only notable member. His grandfather, Aleksander von der Bellen, was a prominent politician in Russia in his own right. Indiscriminately adding CN tags, without a rationale, to uncontroversial information is not helpful. --Tataral (talk) 11:19, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The Khilkov article was not deleted but merely converted to a dab, and the nominator cannot assume that anyone knows about descendant 'red flags' at all coming in. Bearian's added sources along with Tataral's concerns make this deletion nomination a bit IDLI with the use of "article" in sarcasm quotes and 'nothing of value'. Nate • (chatter) 22:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Giulio Tiozzo

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Associate professor in mathematics. One article cited 166 times, but with h-factor of 16 he does not pass WP:NPROF#C1 yet, WP:TOOSOON. Only high-schools and starter grants so far. While the trend of his publications is strong, with 861 cites only it will be a few more years before he passes the bar. Ldm1954 (talk) 14:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. He is quoted in Quanta but not with any depth about his own work [73]. Mathematics is a low-citation field, whose major societies explicitly discourage the use of bibliometrics, so I don't think the citation counts suggest anything negative but they cannot really be used for #C1 notability either. That leaves WP:PROF#C2 and the Aisenstadt Prize. While it is a prize of a major national society, given for outstanding research results, it is an early-career prize given to promising mathematicians at the assistant professor level. Many of its earlier recipients have become notable in other ways but we do not have articles on many of its recent recipients, I think correctly. The Sloan Fellowship is also a positive sign but an early career award that I think is not definitive of notability. I don't think that's quite enough, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a more convincing case for him in a few years, so it probably wouldn't be a big problem for this to be kept rather than deleted. —David Eppstein (talk) 23:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shuvalov

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:GUNREL (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility#genealogy.eu), WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. ~~Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag.~~ (No objection to keeping Category:Shuvalov family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Verifiably notable noble family in encyclopedias, eg "Шуваловы" . Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian). 1906.. Wiipedians simply don't care. --Altenmann >talk 18:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The article in Russian Wikipedia has a ton of references, if one is interested in improving. "If a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik..." - this family never claimed great antiquity, for what I know, and it was never listed among Rurikids. Nevertheless it was the "crème de la crème" of the Russian aristocracy from the reign of Empress Elizabeth until the end of the empire. Ghirla^-трёп- 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I stand corrected. This is one of very few Russian noble families which don't claim descent from Rurik. NLeeuw (talk) 00:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You need to read up on both Russian history and genealogy to make such odd claims. Ghirla^-трёп- 09:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - no valid reason given for deletion; there's no wild claim in the article about descent from early modern times. In fact, it lists several verifiable notable members. Bearian (talk) 04:30, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Romodanovsky family

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:UNSOURCED WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Romodanovsky family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:13, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Verifiably notable noble family in encyclopedias, eg "Ромодановские" . Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian). 1906.. Wiipedians simply don't care. --Altenmann >talk 18:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I don't understand what is questioned in this nomination. The notability of one of the top boyar families? "If a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag" - utter tosh. The family has been extinct for 300 years, so it does not claim anything. But every source on Russian genealogy (starting from the Gosudarev Rodoslovets of 1555) confirms that the Romodanovsky family is indeed Rurikid. Ghirla^-трёп- 16:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete unless sources are added to the article and written up in context. Potentially this is notable, but right now it's unsourced. I'm willing to change my mind. Bearian (talk) 04:27, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is actually a famous family that deserves a separate page, as follows from Russian language sources on this subject. My very best wishes (talk) 02:40, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The most famous representative of this family was of course Fyodor Romodanovsky, "a monstrum by appearance, a vicious tyrant by character". He liked personally beheading people, sometimes several in a row. My very best wishes (talk) 00:56, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Xenia Sackville, Lady Buckhurst

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I tagged this biography of a jewellery designer with notability concerns earlier this month; now having carried out WP:BEFORE, I'm not seeing significant coverage of her in reliable sources. Most coverage is tabloid, such as this in the Daily Mail, or passing mentions in the context of her father or husband - see WP:NOTINHERITED. Note that she is mentioned variously as Xenia Sackville, Buckhurst or Tolstoy, or as Lady Buckhurst. I don't think she meets WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO, and I can't see that there are specific categories of biographical notability she would fit into, except perhaps WP:NARTIST for her jewellery design. Tacyarg (talk) 13:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Chad Chop

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He's a career minor league baseball player who later got low-profile jobs with a couple of Major League teams, neither accomplishment being notable. Sourcing is wholly inadequate. Clarityfiend (talk) 12:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: While he was more than a minor league player, the other roles are largely in the periphery, part of the "back offices" that make a baseball team work. Batting practice pitcher is not notable, nor is video replay analyst. This is about the only sourcing I can find directly about this individual [74]. What's in the article is either a primary source, or secondary coverage where this person is mentioned. Oaktree b (talk) 16:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree that the topic fails WP:GNG. Countless individuals have played in the minor leagues and been on the staff of MLB teams. Chad Chop doesn't seem to stand out in any notable way. Some of the sources aren't even about him but merely mention him incidentally. Tepkunset (talk) 17:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Obolensky

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:UNSOURCED WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Obolensky family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Verifiably notable noble family in encyclopedias, eg "Оболенские, княжеский род" . Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian). 1906.. Wiipedians simply don't care. --Altenmann >talk 18:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Noble families, especially princely families are by definition notable, as their members are listed in official genealogies and studied by multitude of genealogists. It is irrelevant if the princes Obolensky were actually descendants of Rurik, Imperial Russia considered them as such, as exemplified by their use of the title prince and their inclusion in the Velvet Book.
I read Nederlandse Leeuw's rant on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov. It reads like an anti-royalist, French revolutionary attack on nobility in general. Unfortunately the Ancien Régime was non-egalitarian. Social status and thus notability followed family lines. There are corresponding family articles is six other languages. The Russian language article list about 30 family members with Wikipedia articles. The corresponding category has 106 articles and 15 subcategories. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:30, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I may have employed much sarcasm in my rationale on the preceding AfD, but I write about royalty and nobility all the time. E.g. look at my recent article Olgovichi. The issue I have is with unsourced or poorly sourced claims about where certain families came from that are just unencyclopedic rubbish and fail WP:GNG. NLeeuw (talk) 15:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per Petri Krohn. We have lots of articles about notable families. In the old days, the aristocracy had all the political, social, and economic power. One could say that we are living through similar circumstances. In any case, there are literally dozens of notable people who have this last name, and the longstanding consensus is to bunch them into an article as well as a category. Also, before proposing deleting an article, see if it can be expanded from other languages and do at least a basic Internet search. Bearian (talk) 04:36, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I write about royalty and nobility all the time. E.g. look at my recent article Olgovichi. The issue I have is with unsourced or poorly sourced claims about where certain families came from that are just unencyclopedic rubbish and fail WP:GNG. NLeeuw (talk) 15:27, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: The current "keep" arguments are rather weak: just being a noble family is not enough for notability, we need multiple independent sources that treat the subject in-depth. A listing is not enough. Perhaps the articles in other languages provide some useful sources?
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House of Lobanov-Rostovsky

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Follow-up to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Khilkov (recently unanimously deleted). WP:UNSOURCED WP:OR, fails WP:GNG. Rule of thumb: if a Russian noble family claims descent from Rurik without a source, that's a red flag. (No objection to keeping Category:Lobanov-Rostovsky family for now; this "article" just adds nothing of value). NLeeuw (talk) 11:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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delete. Yes, there was this noble family, but it seems there is no in-depth coverage besides genealogy lists. They do have rurikid origin, but I am not sure it counts to claim for notability. --Altenmann >talk 18:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The family is listed in principal families in the European book with clear description of its coat of arms [75] and of course in the Russian Velvet Book by the author Aleksey Lobanov-Rostovsky, a familiy member himself, hence passes GNG. The family has a museum dedicated to them [[76]] and the palace in St. Petersburg underlines the notability. Of course the article needs some cleanup to have proper references.

Moreover the Yamagata–Lobanov Agreement gives the family name quite some name recognition. Axisstroke (talk) 11:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, (a) listing does not count for WP:GNG, which requires in-depth coverage. (b) Notability not inherited and Yamagata–Lobanov Agreement is irrelevant for an article about noble family. --Altenmann >talk 21:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The family is a principal family hence by definition notable as declared both on the Velvet book and other listings. Axisstroke (talk) 20:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, in Wikipedia we have our own criteria for notability. Nobility listings contain thousands of petty noble families. In Poland 20% of population used to be szlachta. In Russian Empire every petty warlord on a hill in Caucasus Mountains was given a title of knyaz during "appeasement" of the area. And so on. Merely listing is insufficient to establish notability in en-wiki. --Altenmann >talk 04:25, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural Keep - as noted many times at AfD and other fora, you need to take a look at the sources on other languages' Wikipedia articles on the topic. You also can't take one isolated fact that needs citation as a reason to delete. I'd recommend advocates of keeping the article substantially to add the sources, in context, so that it passes [WP:HEY]]. Bearian (talk) 04:44, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, your vote violates WP:ONUS and WP:BURDEN not to say WP:AGF (suggesting lack of due diligence). If one looks at the ruwiki article, nothing there indicates in-depth coverage beyond genealogy books (Russian: . Родословный сборник, родословная книга. Родословная роспись, Генеалогическое древо. Even "Лобановы-Ростовские" . Brockhaus and Efron Encyclopedic Dictionary (in Russian). 1906. is little beyond name-throwing. --Altenmann >talk 04:53, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  This has been tagged for GNG since 2017 by someone else. It's not just me saying this now.
  And als Altenmann points out, the articles in other languages are essentially just as bad:
  - lv:Lobanovi–Rostovski is WP:UNSOURCED
  - et:Lobanov-Rostovski is 2 WP:SPSes and 1 book from 1854 (WP:AGEMATTERS)
  - de:Lobanow-Rostowski has 1 WP:FAIL, because the claim Die Familie, eine Seitenlinie der Rurikiden, soll auf Juri Dolgoruki (1090–1157), Fürst von Rostow, Großfürst der Kiewer Rus und Gründer von Moskau, ein Sohn des Kiewer Großfürsten Wladimir Monomachs (1053–1125), zurückgehen. Sein Nachkomme war Fürst Wasilko Konstantinowitsch von Rostow (1208–1238). is not supported by this website where you can buy a painting (!) of 'Der Heilige Fürst Wassili Konstantinowitsch von Rostow'; plus 1 book from 1894 (WP:AGEMATTERS)
  - ru:Лобановы-Ростовские has
    1 collection of manuscripts from somewhere in the 17th century ru:Родословные росписи конца XVII века, which is just plain WP:PRIMARY
    
    1 book from 1776 (! WP:AGEMATTERS)
    
    1 book from 1787 (! WP:AGEMATTERS)
    
    1 book from 1810 (! WP:AGEMATTERS) ru:Родословная книга М. Г. Спиридова
    
    1 book from 1854 (WP:AGEMATTERS)
    
    1 book from 1886 ru:Родословный сборник русских дворянских фамилий (WP:AGEMATTERS)
    
    1 book from 1890 (WP:AGEMATTERS)
    
    A museum deadlink
    
    A worldportrait.org deadlink
    
    An archived press release / advertisment for visiting a museum
    
    1 book from 1991 that is not actually used (no in-line citations)
    
    1 book from 2011 that is not actually used (no in-line citations), and appears to be a reprint of WP:PRIMARY ru:Родословная книга М.А. Оболенского from c. 1600 (!)
    
    1 entry in the Russian Biographical Dictionary of 1905 that is not actually used (no in-line citations)
    
    1 1906 Brockhaus and Efron passing mention which Altenmann already assessed as little beyond name-throwing; and finally
    
    4 unreliable WP:SELFPUB genealogy websites, including the notoriously unreliable WP:ANCESTRY.COM.
  In short, it's a lot of hot air. The few relatively modern sources that might be reliable are not even used, are reprints of WP:PRIMARY sources that are not critically examined, or provide so little information that they do not constitute WP:SIGCOV. NLeeuw (talk) 15:09, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Results of the 1977 Ontario general election by riding

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This is an overly and unnecessarily detailed WP:CONTENTFORK of 1977 Ontario general election, duplicating the results exactly but adding a mostly non-Wikilinked group of names. As a result, it fails the WP:NOT test of WP:GNG by being WP:NOTDATABASE. A merge/redirect is unnecessary since the information (sans candidate names) is already substantially presented at the election page and the title is unlikely to be a search term. I am nominating a group of similar by-riding Ontario provincial election result pages under the same rationale. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - "detailed" riding-by-riding election results which list all the candidates names (which the main pages does not do) are a useful reference. Wellington Bay (talk) 12:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't address the WP:CONTENTFORK and WP:NOTDATABASE problems addressed in the nomination. Wikipedia is not a database of every candidate in every election. The articles for the elections themselves provide excellent encyclopedic treatments that provide sufficient detail. Users needing more can dig into the primary sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Merging with parent articles solves the content fork issue. The point is that for people interested in elections having a list of candidates is useful and is also a common feature of election articles in Wikipedia. Not having a list of who actually ran would be a glaring omission. Would you even think of removing candidate names from say 2010 New York State Senate election? What about 1929 Chicago aldermanic election? Or 1907 Liverpool City Council election? Wellington Bay (talk) 12:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- "Users needing more can dig into the primary sources" - that's fine if they have Lexis-Nexus access. Otherwise, that information is unavailable on the web. Wellington Bay (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  In response to the WP:WHATABOUTX argument, I'm not proposing to delete any election pages, and issues with the content of those pages can be dealt with there. And by arguing Otherwise, that information is unavailable on the web, you've reiterated my own point that this article is functioning as a database -- something Wikipedia is WP:NOT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Honestly, what will be next? Articles for votes at polling stations? GoodDay (talk) 13:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- That's a reductio ad absurdum fallacious argument. Listing the actual names of candidates is a reasonable expectation in an article on an election. Poll-by-poll results are not. Wellington Bay (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  The nominated articles are not the main articles on the elections. That would be 1977 Ontario general election etc., and no one is proposing to delete those. I am proposing to delete separate pages that are functioning as databases of candidates and results. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - So then merge the articles so that the main articles include candidate names (as they did previously before one editor added new tables without names). Wellington Bay (talk) 14:23, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Theres already an similar (but not completely the same) ongoing discussion that's taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Results of the 2023 Alberta general election, that people should be aware of. - Epluribusunumyall (talk) 16:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and merge (but tidy up) - Candidates of the 2024 United Kingdom general election by constituency provides a useful template for presentation, given that vote figures in the main articles have been moved to more easily readable and sortable statistical tables as well as being shown in the articles for the individual constituencies.Raellerby (talk) 21:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian suicide attacks

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Content is already covered in List of Palestinian suicide attacks and Palestinian political violence. The article relies very heavily on one publication, "Palestinian Suicide Terrorism in the Second Intifada: Motivations and Organizational Aspects" (Moghadam, 2003), and it is not needed given the existence of Palestinian political violence.

Additionally, this page was created by UnspokenPassion, who made the vast majority of substantive contributions. Firecat93 (talk) 11:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and improve - I think it can be turned into something worthwhile. It is a genuinely notable topic. I have been trying to fix the over-reliance on Moghadam 2003 for months. But there are about half a dozen users who keep reverting it back to the UnspokenPassion version. I tried to add a "more sources" notice pointing out that half the citations pointed to Moghadam 2003, and it got removed as alleged "tag bombing". Even when I have added additional references they get removed sometimes. Only being able to make one revert a day means that slows down the process a lot when several users are all teaming up trying to keep UnspokenPassion's version. I've been trying to make sandbox versions that combine anything that could possibly be perceived as a revert into one edit per day, but that makes it a lot more effort to improve this particular page. There's one of me, and about six UnspokenPassion fans. I get one revert per day, and they get one each. I.M.B. (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you're right. I will try to make some improvements when I get the opportunity. Firecat93 (talk) 16:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I worry it sounds too much like I'm inviting a group vs group edit war, that would NOT be constructive. But I did want to point out that their pattern of reverting attempts to improve the page or highlight problems is why it still looks too much like the UnspokenPassion version. I.M.B. (talk) 17:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Currently there are already enough people who reverse the more spurious reverts. So I am not asking for that to increase, the current level is fine. What the page needs is more people actually adding non-Moghadam sources and appropriate counter points. The section on Fatah and al-Aqsa martyrs is one that I've not done anything on, and that currently only cites him. I.M.B. (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

https://rusi.org/publication/suicide-bomberstactics-and-mindsets

U.K. and U.S. military think tanks and military colleges have some surprisingly balanced and pragmatic research and analysis papers on Hamas, that one above sounds a lot more realistic to me "The second category is composed of people who use suicide bombing as a temporary strategy targeted at achieving specific goals. This classification includes Hamas, whose policies of suicide bus bombings followed the 1994 Hebron massacre and the 1996 assassination of Hamas mastermind Yahya Ayyash". I.M.B. (talk) 18:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"In War, as in War". Haaretz. 4 March 2005. Dr. Baruch Goldstein's suicide terrorist act in Hebron, which generated an entire series of murderous incidents of terror by Palestinian suicide bombers… I.M.B. (talk) 18:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

NB: Unspoken passion, the page creator, is a now-blocked Icewhiz sock, so this page was created by a banned user. An important point here. Iskandar323 (talk) 17:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This could be a good place to merge the "Use of child suicide bombers by Palestinian militant groups" page as a section. I have been reluctant to suggest that, partly because of that Icewhiz history. But I can't really give a good reason not to merge them. I.M.B. (talk) 17:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely. That article is not a necessary step in our content, and something about it doesn't sit entirely right. A merge would solve problems on both ends. Overall, we do have too many articles on the Arab-Israeli conflict. While Palestinian suicide attacks is not part of that problem, it could be part of the solution. gidonb (talk) 00:57, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article is 100% GNG. So much content about this from many sources. Needs some cleaning of new synth though. Boksi (talk) 07:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As discussed above, what it needs is sources not written by Assaf Moghadam. I.M.B. (talk) 18:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Irgun / Lehi inclusion is not "synth" because numerous sources directly compare them and point out strong similarities. I have been trying to add some additional sources, but I get interrupted by people who like the UnspokenPassion version reverting it. Irgun / Lehi could possibly go in a "history" or "comparison" section because there is a very large gap in time. There having been a planned suicide attack is completely undisputed, the wording of sources in English is "suicide operation" and "suicide attack". I.M.B. (talk) 23:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Boksi, last November, you (correctly in my view) nominated 11 articles for speedy deletion based on 'G5. Creations by banned or blocked users, or in violation of general sanctions'. This was consistent with policy. Since your !vote is Keep in this case, are you using a different decision procedure or were you unaware that this article is the product of ban evasion? There is a 'Strike out usernames that have been blocked' option in preferences. How much of the ban evasion footprint remains? Almost 40% of the current revision of the article is content added by the ban evading actor, and almost the entire lead. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:25, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The article passes the GNG with ease. It is a necessary (!) step between the individual events that do appear in the list and Palestinian political violence, without excessive overlap. Without this entry, Palestinian suicide attacks would not be discussed in sufficient depth. While sources should be diversified, this is handled by a simple template, and AFDISNOTCLEANUP.

Next to this imperfection, the article discusses in depth attacks that were more common in the 2000s than in the 1990s, 2010s, and 2020s. So on the upside, the entry offsets our tendency to recentism, particularly a problem in the context of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. gidonb (talk) 00:44, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes GNG. Andre🚐 07:39, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The article is the product of ban evasion. That (should be) enough reason to delete. Editors can either help to disincentivize and reduce the extensive use of deception in the topic area or they can facilitate and reward it. Sean.hoyland (talk) 07:43, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The version now is considerably different. See the authorship stats, the original author is no longer the largest author or over 50% [77] Andre🚐 07:54, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Constance Jackson

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Lacking in sources and claims of notability since forever. Cabayi (talk) 11:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails WP:ANYBIO. I have removed the IMDB external link, as Wikipedia blocked it as a security risk. — Maile (talk) 13:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Very much PROMO, article reads like a LinkedIn or a book bio. Speaking at conferences isn't notable and the rest is too niche to be covered in wikipedia; appears to make informational videos about a variety of subjects, but not quite rising to the notability we need to see. Oaktree b (talk) 16:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yoda Press

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Not a well-known book publisher. Fails WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 10:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep I created this article when I was new on the platform. However, there are sources that work for me in substantiating notability. Being well-known is not a requirement for notability. Let's take a look at this (from Scroll), this (from TheHindu), this (once again from TheHindu and the author of first piece, so I'd see this one as a supplement to the previous two). Some of their work has also received coverage such as this in HT on their "non-fiction graphic novel series". This piece on Homegrown also significantly discusses the role of the press, but I doubt how reliable this is. Additionally, this from HT is also a good peice, alongside this review from the Caravan on one of their publication. _Regards,Aafi ^(talk) 11:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Bliss GVS Pharma

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Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in WP:LISTED (or any other) case. Fails to meet WP:NCORP, WP:CORPDEPTH. Indian media sources should be viewed carefully, as they often present press releases as news WP:RSNOI, WP:ROUTINE. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 10:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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MaNaDr

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A previous article was deleted at AFD a year ago. The present article was created a few months ago, covering recent action against the firm by the Singapore Ministry of Health. Searches find this Straits Times item concerning other providers' reactions to that situations (and perhaps Healthcare_in_Singapore#Private_healthcare should be extended to cover telehealth). However WP:CORP indicates that regulatory actions and their coverage are not in themselves indicative of notability of a particular firm, so it seems appropriate to bring this to AFD as it doesn't seem there is enough in-depth coverage to overturn the previous deletion consensus. AllyD (talk) 09:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete : Agree with the nominator. Gauravs 51 (talk)

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Hoseyn Bazar (25°36′ N 61°03′ E), Chabahar

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Previously PROD'd article. Mass-created by Carlossuarez46 based on the GEONet Names Server (which is not a reliable source for this kind of information per the RSN discussion) and the Iranian census (which collects information for locations that are often not villages but include shops/farms/factories/bridges/pumps etc.). In this case, the location may well have been a shop based simply on the name.

Local addresses (e.g., the local mosque) declare the location in the title of the article to be Peti Han Baza, or alternatively Chukat-e Bala. The existence of two other locations supposedly called "Hoseyn Bazar" in the same rural district within a few miles of this location further raises doubt as to whether this place really exists as a village, and additionally renders this place totally unverifiable. FOARP (talk) 09:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete everything made by this careless user, following countless time-wasting cleanup efforts of his mistakes. Reywas92^Talk 14:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dimanche v. Brown

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Non-notable, WP:ROTM legal case that is principally created to add credence to Moliere Dimanche (see also: WP:Articles for deletion/Moliere Dimanche and User talk:NovembersHeartbeat)Spiralwidget (talk) 15:04, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Moliere Dimanche

Thank you for initiating this discussion. I would like to address some concerns raised in the nomination statement:

1. Vandalism: This user Spiralwidget has repeatedly vandalized this topic. In his nomination for deletion of the page for Moe Dimanche he states that Dimanche is "prominent" in the case law, and then states that he doesn't know much about "American legal stuff", but projects himself as an expert on legal case notability here. This is vandalism, and in American jurisprudence, Dimanche v. Brown has been cited in 178 new opinions be United States judges. That means this case law helped our highest courts establish new case law, and will continue to do so forever. Virtually every prominent legal publication cites the law for setting precedent, and the 178 citations is just from judges rendering opinions. That doesn't count the many more times litigants have used the citation to protect there positions in our district courts, our appellate courts, and in the Supreme Court of the United States. This is an actual law, and has been one since 2015.

I welcome further discussion on how to improve the article and ensure compliance with Wikipedia's policies. I hope my contributions to Wikipedia demonstrate how serious I am about expanding knowledge in the areas of law and civil rights. I hope to help those looking to navigating complex legal theories and civil rights. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NovembersHeartbeat (talk • contribs) 16:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If virtually every prominent legal publication cites the law for setting precedent, can you provide a list of some of them? Ca ^{talk to me!} 21:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails GNG. Cutlass ^Ciera 18:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, but I am happy to be proven wrong. I am not well-versed in the laws, so it is possible that I am missing some major source that I could look for coverage. However, a search on Google Scholar, Google, Google News, and Google Books did not return any usable source(that is, reliable and independent). Currently, this article has an WP:original research problem since the topic has zero secondary analysis by reliable sources. This article is also heavily WP:REFBOMBed with primary documents of the lawsuit. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also feel like my essay WP:NPOV deletion applies here, since lawsuits are naturally a contentious topic. Ca ^{talk to me!} 01:59, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The use of a level-3 fake header (same as the real header of the entire AfD) is confusing. Reduced to level 4. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:20, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Albanian Visual Arts Network

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Subject fails GNG and NCORP for not having significant coverage from independent reliable sources and not merely mentioned for verification. Sources on the article are not reliable. Cassiopeia talk 09:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ekam Bawa

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Music video launch announcements and YouTube videos are not sufficient to merit inclusion. Junbeesh (talk) 08:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: PROMO for this person. I don't see notability, the sources, as usual from India, are questionable. I can't find any solid proof of notability. Oaktree b (talk) 16:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Buff Technologies

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Fails WP:NCORP. Partnership announcements and clear reprints of press releases do not notability make. ~ A412 ^talk! 07:22, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. WP:BEFORE didn't uncover enough material to pass WP:NCORP. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Routine announcements and other references seem to fail WP:ORGCRIT. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:14, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Ale Conners of London

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Fails WP:LISTN as not having received attention as a group. An individual appointment sometimes gets a mention in a different source (though most of these aren't independent), but that's about it. Fram (talk) 08:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for taking the time to look for additional mentions and references on this subject. I look forward to receiving the results of the deletion discussion, and will of course be happy with whatever decision the group comes to. Tippylegend (talk) 11:32, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: as WP:INDISCRIMINATE, there's no encyclopedic information here that isn't on the article for Ale conner. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 09:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Lionel Luthor

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I know this article is GA, but everything are cited as primary sources. Did WP:BEFORE, but found zero WP:SIGCOV. A source for ex like this [78] isn't. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 06:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The Man from Krypton, p. 85, has a relevant though brief characterization of Lionel Luthor, and likewise with The Smallville Chronicles. "Enter the Aleph: Superhero Worlds and Hypertime Realities" interestingly has a comparison to Samson of all people. Most importantly, does anyone have access to "The Role of Parents in the Processing of Adolescent Trauma in Smallville"? That sounds pretty promising. Daranios (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Found it, here. This paper does have a lot of plot summary on Lionel Luthor, but also evaluation of his role, although mostly in relation to Lex Luthor (Smallville). Daranios (talk) 16:00, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep or merge to Lex Luthor (Smallville) or/and List of Smallville characters#Lionel Luthor. While the great majority of material here is referenced to primary sources, it is not everything. There's IGN, DVD Verdict (where I don't know if it's reliable) and the Saturn Award. More importantly, the secondary sources listed above (result of a non-exhaustive WP:BEFORE search) together can provide enough commentary to fullfill WP:WHYN and WP:NOTPLOT. Much of the commentary is related to the relationship with Lex Luthor, so I have no objection against a merge. Daranios (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Lex Luthor (Smallville) or/and List of Smallville characters#Lionel Luthor. I would default to the list, with any additional detail covered at Lex Luthor. I agree that most of the coverage is in relation to Lex Luthor. There isn't enough WP:SIGCOV for a meaningful article but there is still something to WP:PRESERVE. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the claims that were made by @Daranios:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:14, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I trust Daranios judgement here. But take away the GA status: Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Lionel Luthor/1. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Piotrus. GNG met. Jclemens (talk) 04:47, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Christine Nagy

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Non notable radio host - no sigcov Golikom (talk) 07:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thajuddin

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Article on certain topic "Thauddin" about the conversion of a Hindu king to Islam - Only found in conspiracy theories and low quality news reports by journalists. Usually supported by substandard books and research papers (all them by Muslim authors)

{{Db-hoax}} JamesMdp (talk) 06:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I can't find anything noteworthy (or indeed much at all) in Google Books. Dāsānudāsa (talk) 14:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: At best a hoax. Sources cited are poor in quality, this is itself sourced from Wikipedia. Garuda ^Talk! 13:12, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Garudam. This page is unverifiable. Bearian (talk) 05:59, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That tag should have been on the article, but no harm done. Bearian (talk) 06:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Unlikely historical. Agletarang (talk) 09:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The article relies on substandard references that fail to meet WP:RS and WP:V standards. For example:
The cited works by Y. Friedmann and O. Loth are largely speculative and don't provide direct evidence for the subject's historicity. Katz’s "Who Are the Jews of India?" and Prange’s "Monsoon Islam" discuss tangentially related topics, not corroborating the claimed events. Sources like "Islamqa.info" and the claimed link to the "splitting of the moon" belong to religious interpretations, not historical fact. The narrative seems to be rooted in a WP:FRINGE, lacking corroboration in mainstream academic research. The cited “Qissat Shakarwati Farmad” is itself unverifiable beyond dubious origins and has been critiqued for being anecdotal. The connection to Cheraman Perumal converting to Islam is unsupported by high-quality sources, reinforcing this as a likely WP:HOAX. Per NOT a repository of myths and notability guidelines, this article fails en-wiki standards. Nxcrypto Message 06:26, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Plus, this article was created directly in the mainspace by DonParlo, who is now globally blocked. This further raises doubts about this hoax article legitimacy. Nxcrypto Message 06:39, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete:~~ Previous editors of the article deliberately included these references to give it an appearance of credibility. However, the content of the article does not align with the cited sources. JamesMdp (talk) 10:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote, your nomination is considered your "vote". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC))[reply]

Keep: Based on the basic criteria WP:BASIC, people are considered notable if they have received significant coverage in more than one publication, and are considered worthy of being retained. Historical and religious biography [79][80][81][82][83][84][85][86], this name is slightly less popular, if this bio is renamed to the well-known Cheraman Perumal, more Confucianism can be avoided. Cheraman Juma Mosque, which is part of the first Muslim mosque in India, established in 629 CE, is named after him in history ~~ Spworld2 (talk) 04:09, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: This is not a hoax, it is centuries old and how can historical pages or a historical event be called a hoax?

This person has a history of living and dying, and according to reliable historical sources, he was a member of a royal family and a ruler, royalty/kings are automatically notable

reference below:

Books:- [87][88][89][90][91]
News articles :-[92][93][94][95][96]
JSTOR :-[97][98][99]
Other articles:- [100] [101][102] [103] -- ~~ Spworld2 (talk) 10:11, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Teddy Fresh

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Deleted as promo in 2020, recreated by a 57-edits account in 2022. Fails WP:NCORP.

[104] Fails WP:ORGIND, this source's entire content is the CEO talking about her own company.
[105] Fails ORGIND, most of the article is a regurgitation of a press release by a company that partnered with Teddy Fresh
[106] Clearly a promotional ad, complete with price tags for the products and an unreasonably large collection of pictures of them
[107] WP:ORGTRIV, routine announcement of products, the original commentary on the company is a negligibly small part of the article
[108] Routine announcement, looks like a press release
[109] This is just an advertisement, complete with price tags and the pictures of the products.
[110] Barely passes WP:ORGDEPTH, since a great part of this article is about the CEO talking about her own company
[111] Another trivial announcement of products. The parts of this article that aren't the CEO talking about her own company are simple descriptions of the company's latest released products. There's not enough original, in-depth commentary on the company. Badbluebus (talk) 06:06, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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weak keep: the Uproxx sources are fine, we have some non-primary coverage of the brand/company. Not very much, but I think it's enough. Oaktree b (talk) 16:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Uproxx source states that "Disclaimer: Uproxx may receive payment to direct readers to certain retail vendors who are offering these products for purchase." Looks unreliable to me. Badbluebus (talk) 16:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Yes, the Uproxx references would not be reliable for notability as they are written by contributors so I would say they are similar to WP:FORBESCON. However, this reference in WWD doesn't just "barely pass." Yes, it has a lot of quotes but it goes in-depth about the company with information written by the staff writer. I also think this one in the Business Insider was missed in the WP:BEFORE. Not only does it meet WP:CORPDEPTH, look at the bio of the writer (complete opposite of the Uproxx writer). --CNMall41 (talk) 01:22, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep: There isn't much, but there is some coverage. WP:SIGCOV says there's no set number, but we're right on the edge here. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:48, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vallabhaneni Maheedhar

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A WP:BEFORE search yields results from databases, LinkedIn, Facebook, Amazon, and other unreliable sources. The subject fails to meet under WP:NACTOR and WP:FILMMAKER. Also, there is no indication of meeting WP:SIGCOV. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:23, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Political houseparty

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One of a set of unsourced stubs explaining political things that need no explanation. This could likely be expanded by padding, but as it is I'm dubious anyone even uses this name. Mangoe (talk) 05:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. There are a handful of sources that mention this being a thing, but I couldn't find anything to suggest it merits an article. No indication that this is a widespread or widely covered practice. MCE89 (talk) 06:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - No sources whatsoever. Created in 2006, and tagged as unsourced since December 2009. — Maile (talk) 14:58, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Political buzzword

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One of a set of unsourced stubs explaining political things that need no explanation. This could likely be expanded by padding, but as it is it comes across as some amateur's WP:OR. Mangoe (talk) 05:15, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Is the article's definition even correct? It seems like the article is describing political slogans or soundbites rather than buzzwords - I can't find anything that uses the term "political buzzword" in the way this does. Doesn't have anything useful to merge, and I don't see any real point redirecting to slogan, buzzword or sound bite as it doesn't seem like a likely search term. To the extent that this is talking about something notable I think it can be adequately covered in one of those three articles MCE89 (talk) 06:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - No sources whatsoever. Created in 2018, and tagged as unsourced since that date. — Maile (talk) 15:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Internal enemy

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A WP:DICTDEF of a very commonly used epithet. I can see a merge to political repression but simply padding the article with more examples where the attack has been made is not actual improvement. Mangoe (talk) 05:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Sources cited show it's a consistent concept with the potential for expansion into a non-stub article, not a "dictdef" or "epithet" as claimed. (t · c) buidhe 05:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Although, to be fair, this source suggests that a merge to fifth column could be considered, that's not a matter for AfD. (t · c) buidhe 05:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or Merge with Fifth Column. I don’t see how this article could ever go beyond a definition sub unless it get overloaded with random examples. RakdosWitch (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Slurge

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A bit of poli sci jargon which seemingly hasn't caught on. I did see a few book hits, mostly recent enough to where they could depend on us, but far and away most hits were proper names. Mangoe (talk) 05:20, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Appears to be fringe coinage. Wikipedia isn't a dictionary anyways. Yue🌙 09:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I've never heard this term before, and a Google search turns up nothing. WP:NEOLOGISM applies here. 12:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)
Delete. Couldn't find anything that could be included in the article beyond a dictionary definition, or any indication that this is a notable concept beyond being proposed in one paper. Another option would be to merge into Incumbent, which already contains the definition of Sophomore surge, but my feeling is that would be undue given that this doesn't even seem to be a mainstream or widely discussed concept in studies of incumbency. MCE89 (talk) 20:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ann Pennington (model)

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Doesn't pass GNG - apart from one puff article seems only to have inherited notability for marriage to Shaun Cassidy Golikom (talk) 05:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Anti-electric vehicle tactics in the US and Canada

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A crank-ridden POV fork. Qwirkle (talk) 05:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Full-on conspiracy theory screed, taking passing news snippets from decades ago and sculpting them into a grand narrative of corruption and evil, and peppered with salacious bits like "The transit business seems to have been fairly remunerative for Campbell...[he] sailed to Biscayne Bay for parties and chicken fries." WP:SYNTH is the least of this article's problems. This belongs on Telegram, not here. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:27, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Chicken fries, that's a new one here at AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 16:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to General Motors streetcar conspiracy: , this is basically what the article now is trying to say. GM wanted to sell more buses so allegedly tried to eliminate competitors. True or not, it's an interesting topic. This gets too far out of the "GNG yard", so we can't use most of the sources... The streetcar conspiracy article is written in a style we can keep/use. Oaktree b (talk) 16:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, this as a redirect would still include synthesis. It isn’t just about buses, it is also a claim there was an “effort to attain a freeway, parking lot, and internal-combustion transportation monopoly in US and Canadian cities,” as the article says. At some point, a POV fork name is too loaded to simply redirect. Qwirkle (talk) 17:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the above. Agree that the name is probably too loaded for a redirect to General Motors streetcar conspiracy. Plus it is plausible that an actual encyclopedia article might exist about the general topic of anti-electric vehicle tactics in North America (i.e. probably mostly about lobbying and regulatory efforts in the 21st century), so I think a redirect to General Motors streetcar conspiracy is probably unhelpful to readers. MCE89 (talk) 20:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:49, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hila Klein

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I don't see enough reliable sources that talk about Klein in depth. The few sources in this article that are not gossipy or clearly unreliable are either centered on the youtube channels she co-hosted with her husband (H3 Podcast, H3H3productions) or the fashion company she founded (Teddy Fresh). Although the podcasts and the company could be notable, she is not. It is possible that this page could be redirected to any of those articles. My source eval is the following:

[112] Fails WP:INDEPENDENT and SIGCOV, most of this article is Klein talking about her own company, there's not enough independent coverage of Klein herself
[113] Arguably reliable, but the source is more about Teddy Fresh than Hila Klein. It doesn't support the need for an article about her separate from Teddy Fresh.
[114] WP:SPORTSKEEDA
[115] Routine WP:DEXERTO article that doesn't discuss Klein in depth. Badbluebus (talk) 04:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: Could a combined Ethan and Hila Klein article be feasible? Right now it's just a redirect to h3h3Productions. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nande Mabala

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Sockpuppets and likely LOUTSOCK IPs are repeatedly eliminating a redirect, so instead of edit warring I am seeking an AfD consensus to establish a redirect to Miss South Africa 2023. The subject is not a pageant winner, and any notability she has appears to be WP:BLP1E for her placing in that pageant; the coverage that exists is WP:ROUTINE and there is no WP:SIGCOV for a WP:GNG pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:47, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~: Why redirect in the first place? Edit warring and sock are not ground for deletion. Deal with the users and IP adequately. I also don't think WP:BLP1E applies here. The subject is a model, just like how a musician can be a one hit wonder. She is clearly notable and discussed in multiple RS, meaning she pass WP:GNG. A simple Google search is enough, I'm not gonna try to reference the whole internet here. dxneo (talk) 11:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you supply the specific sources you believe constitute SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources to pass GNG? I didn’t find any in my BEFORE, just mentions of her pageant career that didn’t go into substantial depth. P.S. Editor disagreements over a redirect are indeed a valid reason for an AfD discussion per WP:BLAR. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Great! I think I'll be back here on the 30th. Can't perform a full search rn, but she did headline multiple RS. Ciao! dxneo (talk) 12:32, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have seen a lot of secondary reliable source with a significant coverage. I'm wondering how you nominated this article for deletion because what didn't tally with I knew on Wikipedia. [116], [117], [118], [119], [120] and [121] are enough to establish notability, as such it pass GNG [[Special:Contributions 102.91.92.110 (talk) 15:10, 26 December 2024 (UTC) — 102.91.92.110 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Nope, your first, second, and fourth sources are tabloid coverage, and per WP:SBST, tabloid journalism is not significant coverage. The third source is a Q&A interview and thus a WP:PRIMARYSOURCE. The fifth source is not an journalistically independent publication; it's a local booster/hotel room magazine. The sixth source, while not a Q&A, is composed almost entirely of quotes from Mabala and appears to based solely on an interview with her and is thus also a primary source. We're not at the point of WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG yet. By the way, since this is the first time this IP address has edited Wikipedia, can I ask what accounts you've previously used? Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:44, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think we need to discuss this "interview is a primary source" thing, because that's where information normally comes from. If another publication quotes that interview, no one would say it's "primary". If the interview was published by a reliable source, then it's most definitely reliable. dxneo (talk) 19:11, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not on my laptop so not going to type a full reply, but between this recent long discussion thread and WP:INTERVIEWS, there’s a robust consensus that merely being interviewed does not make one notable and that any content that is entirely or almost entirely dependent on an interview with the subject is not independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:00, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, I'll comment on the notability of the subject in the next few days. dxneo (talk) 09:15, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. In addition to the sources mentioned above, there are feature articles about her in the Sowetan, Dispatch, Worcester Standard, Star, and IOL. Plus coverage in the Sunday Times. Sure, a lot of the content is from interviews with Mabala, but these are by no means straight Q&A and are about as hard-hitting as you can expect of journalism about beauty pageants. I doubt that many models would pass WP:GNG if only investigative journalism qualified as secondary sources for the purposes of establishing notability. Jlalbion (talk) 11:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the interest of not appearing to bludgeon the discussion I’ll refrain from further comments in this discussion, other than to say that I reviewed these additional sources in my BEFORE and did not find them to pass the bar of independence (as single source interviews) or of SIGCOV (as tabloid coverage). I don’t edit much on beauty pageants and perhaps there is a local consensus at AfD on sourcing for pageant participants that I’m unaware of, so I’ll let the community decide without further input. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: While there is an apparent consensus to Keep, there are valid questions on whether or not sources provided supply SIGCOV. I think editors familiar with content creation know the limits of accepting interviews as secondary sources which depend on the content of the interview and if there is any independent content aside from the Q&A occurring.
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Keep: Although some of the sources are questionable, there is enough coverage in mainstream news to meet notability. Rublamb (talk) 00:24, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: She was fairly discussed here, her career history and all. Here is her acedemic record from the University of Western Cape. Headlined multiple RS as mentioned before. Enough to support keep. dxneo (talk) 02:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is a WP:BLP that needs real WP:SECONDARY sources to establish notability. Routine coverage, interview and profiles don't make. Recent consensus on interviews states that it doesn't establish notability, even if there is a lot of them, and not somebody like this person doing the PR round. There is not 1 secondary source here. Not 1. Its all routine junk. Lastly she hasn't even won anything and the two references that were recently have the same exact information. They are not in-depth. And the reference provided above "https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/breaking-who-is-miss-sa-south-africa-second-runner-up-nande-mabala-natasha-joubert-bryoni-govender-18-august-2023/" is taken from social media making it completely unreliable. It states in WP:BLP "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources.". Where is that here. scope_creep^Talk 08:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We still have a fundamental disagreement among participating editors on whether or not the sources provided supply adequate coverage of this article subject. At this point, a source review might help determine which side is on more solid ground.
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Comment. Adding a source assessment table of sources presented in this discussion per Liz's request.

Source assessment table prepared by User:Dclemens1971
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/s-mag/fashion-beauty/2023-07-25-miss-sa-top-10-nande-mabala-wants-to-show-the-kids-back-home-that-it-is-possible/	The article is based entirely on an WP:INTERVIEW with the subject and does not appear to include independent reporting.			✘ No
https://www.dispatchlive.co.za/lifestyle/entertainment/2024-11-04-miss-sa-runner-up-mabala-brings-hope-to-buffalo-city-youngsters/	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and does not appear to include independent reporting.			✘ No
https://www.netwerk24.com/netwerk24/za/worcester-standard/nuus/nande-is-miss-world-semi-finalist-20240605-2	The article is based entirely on the subject's social media posts and interviews with her and her mother, and does not appear to include independent reporting.	Article uses promotional language like "In a dazzling display of grace, poise and an unwavering commitment to social impact..."		✘ No
https://www.iol.co.za/the-star/news/miss-sa-runner-up-earns-top-10-spot-in-miss-world-sa-pageant-339ca451-69d0-4624-90a2-2017809ca7f8	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and does not appear to include independent reporting.			✘ No
https://www.iol.co.za/lifestyle/style-beauty/beauty/no-sour-grapes-from-nande-mabala-despite-missing-out-on-miss-world-sa-crown-again-a5cd04f7-d4bb-467c-98bf-6549f3594b6b	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and the subject's social media posting and does not appear to include independent reporting.		Tabloid coverage is not WP:SIGCOV per WP:SBST.	✘ No
https://www.timeslive.co.za/lifestyle/2023-08-16-watch-superstar-welcome-for-miss-sa-second-runner-up-nande-mabala-on-her-return-home/			Short article, WP:ROUTINE coverage.	? Unknown
https://www.uwc.ac.za/news-and-announcements/news/uwc-alumna-vying-for-the-miss-world-crown	The article is published by the subject's alma mater and thus not independent			✘ No
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/breaking-who-is-miss-sa-south-africa-second-runner-up-nande-mabala-natasha-joubert-bryoni-govender-18-august-2023/	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and the subject's social media posting and does not appear to include independent reporting.		Tabloid coverage ("celeb news") is not WP:SIGCOV per WP:SBST.	✘ No
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/local-celebs/bryoni-govender-miss-supranational-venue-date-miss-sa-runner-up-nande-mabala/	The article is based entirely on the subject's social media posting and does not appear to include independent reporting.		Tabloid coverage ("celeb news") is not WP:SIGCOV per WP:SBST.	✘ No
https://www.thesouthafrican.com/lifestyle/celeb-news/local-celebs/bryoni-govender-miss-supranational-venue-date-miss-sa-runner-up-nande-mabala/	The article is based entirely on the subject's social media posting and does not appear to include independent reporting.	Includes WP:PROMO language like Nande Mabala’s journey has been undoubtedly nothing short of inspiring	Tabloid coverage ("celeb news") is not WP:SIGCOV per WP:SBST.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Source assessment table prepared by User:Dclemens1971
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.news24.com/news24/community-newspaper/worcesterstandard/local-miss-sa-finalist-20230531	The article is a Q&A interview with the subject.		✘ No
https://www.capetownetc.com/news/nande-mabala-from-worcester-aims-for-miss-world-sa-2024-title/	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and does not appear to include independent reporting.	This is a hotel-room marketing/local booster magazine.	✘ No
https://www.netwerk24.com/netwerk24/za/worcester-standard/nuus/miss-sa-hopeful-is-a-proud-zwellie-20230614-2	The article is based entirely on an interview with the subject and consists almost entirely of quotes from her.		✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect, this is a nonsensical assessment. What is SIGCOV? What is GNG? Has the subject headlined multiple RS? Start there. To say sources are "entirely" based on interviews is something else too. Sources state her age, birth place, what she's known for, academic records, achievements and so on. Try again mate. dxneo (talk) 14:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I offered a source assessment since the closer asked for one. Feel free to do your own. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Next time don't be bias, be fair. Anyway, thank you. dxneo (talk) 14:50, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Dxneo You've just accused me of bias without offering evidence. That's a serious accusation. Please withdraw your accusation or take it to my talk page or WP:ANI if you believe my actions are biased. I've articulated my rationale and pointed to discussions and essays that underlie it for why the interviews of the subject are not independent. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:28, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

you mean as in "what do they stand for?", "what are they being used to refer to in this context?", or something else i'm missing? because if it's that first one, the links are right there

would also appreciate some elaboration on what you think is nonsensical or biased about them consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 15:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies. I'm out. dxneo (talk) 16:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

in the meantime, delete for 3 main reasons

the sources, as dclemens noted, are at best of debatable usability, with only one having a chance of not not meeting gng
the article, as it is, is a little too promotional for something 9 lines long, and might need the tnt treatment
it's also way too short, which, for someone with this many sources (usable or otherwise), really shouldn't be the case
admittedly on the petty side, but i want to see how long it'll take for that sock to attempt to recreate it

...what do you mean that's not 3? have you tried cleaning your glasses? consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 16:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are we discussing notability or the length of the article? dxneo (talk) 17:11, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

both, as the entire article is judged in afd. as is, while nande might be notable (specifically as defined by wikipedia), sources establishing notability (specifically as defined by wikipedia policy) haven't been found at the moment, and the article could use at least two more lines of text when (and if) sources are found. as an example, gusttavo lima's article could use some work, but it's got at least 11 lines of text (maybe even more!), with citations for most of the claims made in it consarn _{(speak evil) (see evil)} 17:30, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

MÁV Személyszállítási Zrt.

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No sources found. Also fails WP:NCORP. ☮️Counter-Strike:Mention 269🕉️^{(🗨️ ● ✉️ ● 📔)} 04:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete; agreed. I'm not sure how this article was moved out of draftspace to begin with. I don't view it as article-worthy, not without some extra sources. Madeline1805 (talk) 16:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Hungarian State Railways (MÁV). It's the current form of that company after merging with Volánbusz. --Norden1990 (talk) 20:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Samsung Galaxy Tab E 9.6

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Fails WP:GNG, I don't see why this should be its own page. Nothing generally notable outside of its launch. Madeline1805 (talk) 04:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Mangal

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The article lacks reliable sources to verify the information presented. Additionally, the battle appears to have limited historical significance and is not widely covered in notable sources, making the article's notability questionable. Article clearly failing WP:GNG and WP:V . Mr.Hanes Talk 04:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you @RangersRus, but I have removed the Gazetteers Sources as they are considered unreliable as per WP:RAJ. Mr.Hanes Talk 12:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to the main article Afghan–Sikh Wars or to Hari Singh Nalwa (Battle of Mangal (1821)) as this article lack content to expand. QEnigma talk 11:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
unsupported- This article modestly suffers through various Edit warring and socks account WP:Block intercession whereas this article show endless graded aspects of its predated sourcing which can be readdressed through militant campaign of Hari Singh Nalwa, Runthetown (talk)Note to closer: 2 days old account, likely SOCK, has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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Relisting comment: Relisting as there is no consensus here yet. I'll just add that this article has been sent to AFD THREE times in less than a year so however this discussion closes, I hope that we can put a ban on future nominations for at least 6-12 months.
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Keep. Reliable source from historian Sandhu with three page on the battle that helps with verification of the content. Passes WP:GNG. RangersRus (talk) 13:07, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tengku Baharuddin

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I do not see that this younger son of a Malay sultan passes WP:GNG or WP:NBIO. He does not hold any office that would be presumptively notable, and I don't see any WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable sources (in the article or in my WP:BEFORE search) that would pass the general notability guideline. Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wordhunt

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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 03:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. As I wrote on the talk page while you were writing this, there is a lot of coverage of the Wordhunt to be found in Proquest. I added several reliable sources (Guardian, Scotsman, Chronicle of Higher Education), and the Boston Globe was already cited in the article, but there are also articles in Proquest in The Times (several), The Observer, Belfast Telegraph, Derby Evening Telegraph, Daily Post and even The Hindustan Times and Pittsburgh Post - Gazette. Espresso Addict (talk) 03:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: If the reason is solely "not notable" then I have to disagree. There's definitely some room for improvement on the article, but if there's enough sources about it, I see no reason to not keep it. It seems like WP:DANNO is happening here, I'd rather be convinced this isn't notable instead of just being told it isn't. Chew^{(V • T • E)} 21:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
(Selective) Merge with Balderdash and Piffle. We've definitely got some good coverage of this, but given that the two topics are so closely intertwined, I don't see why they need separate articles. The article as-is could use some trimming...we don't need the whole list of words for sure, but both can certainly fit comfortably together. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 05:46, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting given the argument to Merge. I'll just say that this is a very poor deletion rationale which isn't an argument at all or and doesn't demonstrate that a BEFORE has been done.
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Keep, while leaving open the possibility of a merge with Balderdash and Piffle as part of normal editing. It seems like both are independently notable so I don't think a merge is strictly necessary, but they're so closely related that I can see how a single article might be more reader-friendly. That being said, I don't feel particularly strongly about it and I do see the benefit of separating out the television show/books from the wider OED appeal. So keep for the purposes of AfD, and neutral on the possibility of merging in future. MCE89 (talk) 00:38, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Royal Mallows

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Fictional military unit, very poorly referenced. My BEFORE shows some mention in passing although nothing jumps out as having WP:SIGCOV. If this is notable, it probably needs a WP:TNT treatment, seeing as what we have here is WP:FANCRUFTY unsourced WP:OR failing WP:V. Not sure abut good redirect target - perhaps The Adventure of the Crooked Man? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Transwiki to Baker Street Wiki as very enlightening observations which are unfortunately mostly unreferenced and redirect to The Adventure of the Crooked Man. There the term appears and WP:REDIRECTSARECHEAP. Daranios (talk) 11:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to The Adventure of the Crooked Man - Non-notable topic and a poorly sourced article, but it is mentioned in the synopsis of the story already, so Redirecting there is a valid WP:ATD. Rorshacma (talk) 15:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect This is poorly sourced and does not have WP:SIGCOV. Jontesta (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Capital One–Discover merger

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This topic fails WP:GNG because it fails the second part of the test: whether it should be covered in a standalone page. Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS, and that's all this article is. The event is ongoing and it is unknown if it will be completed, so it does not (yet) have a lasting effect under WP:NEVENT. The coverage of the merger has to date been WP:ROUTINE, another indication that this fails NEVENT. A redirect to Capital_One#Discover_Financial_Services is appropriate but was contested by the page creator so I am seeking consensus for a redirect via AfD. (Should the topic warrant a standalone page in the future, it can be restored and expanded.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 03:12, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy redirect per nom. Discover Financial#History and Capital One#Discover Financial Services are the right places for this until and unless there is sufficient content to warrant a split. A standalone page is not yet warranted. Reywas92^Talk 03:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This deal was announced almost one year ago. Since then, there has been continued major coverage. This article just must be updated and expanded. Thriley (talk) 07:17, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Support the nominator's motion seeking to redirect to Capital One#Discover Financial Services per the reasons mentioned. It's important for other editors to understand the nominator is not wishing to delete this article. – The Grid (talk) 15:38, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Capital_One#Discover_Financial_Services: Per nom. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Danielle Etrasco

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American lacrosse player. JTtheOG (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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H.A.M.M.E.R.

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Kept in AfD 10 years ago, so prod-ineligible - but at PROD level, sigh. Pure plot summary with a few mentions of comics etc. this organization appeared in, no analysis/reception. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. We can consider redirecting this per ATD-R to List of Marvel Comics teams and organizations _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:59, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge selectively to List of Marvel Comics teams and organizations#H. The Avengers and Philosophy as a secondary sources does have some commentary, at various places but especially p. 71-73, but mostly in relation to Norman Osborn and thus would just as well fit to Norman Osborn#H.A.M.M.E.R. and the Dark Avengers. Daranios (talk) 11:26, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect The coverage does not justify an article under the Wikipedia:General notability guideline requirement. Jontesta (talk) 20:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to its section at List of Marvel Comics teams and organizations in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE should no notability can be found before this discussion ends. --Rtkat3 (talk) 23:49, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kara Mupo

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I am unable to find sufficient in-depth coverage of this American lacrosse player to meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The most I found was this, which isn't much at all. There's also some quotes from her here. JTtheOG (talk) 02:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Oleksiy Zenchenko

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Like others from this same team, I can't find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV on this player. The article is WP:REFBOMBed, but nothing meets the standards of WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 02:54, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:36, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

30 North Arlington-Kearny-Newark

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Bus route with no indication of notability. I would normally suggest a redirect to List of NJ Transit bus routes (1–99), but I don't know how plausible of a search term this is. JTtheOG (talk) 02:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as suggested; redirects are cheap. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom and Dclemens1971. Bus routes are not inherently notable, especially not when the only source to which their articles are cited is the transportation authority's own schedule. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:18, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of NJ Transit bus routes (1–99) Djflem (talk) 08:45, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

24 Elizabeth/Jersey Gardens-Orange/Erie Loop

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Bus route with no indication of notability. I would normally suggest a redirect to List of NJ Transit bus routes (1–99), but I don't know how plausible of a search term this is. JTtheOG (talk) 02:40, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as suggested; redirects are cheap. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of NJ Transit bus routes (1–99) Djflem (talk) 08:47, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13 Nutley/Belleville/Clifton-Irvington Terminal/Valley Fair

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I would normally suggest a redirect to List of NJ Transit bus routes (1–99), but I don't know how plausible of a search term this is. JTtheOG (talk) 02:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as suggested; redirects are cheap. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:24, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom and Dclemens1971. Bus routes are not inherently notable, especially not when the only source to which their articles are cited is the transportation authority's own schedule. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect Djflem (talk) 08:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kyoya Yamada

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Kyoya Yamada has recently retired (https://www.fagiano-okayama.com/news/202412281600/), and so with four J2 appearances, unfortunately fails GNG RossEvans19 (talk) 02:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Might be coverage in JP sources, but I can't find any coverage we can use, not much of anything really. Does not meet notability. The one link used now in the article isn't enough. Oaktree b (talk) 02:43, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep see Asahi Shimbun, Mainichi Shimbun and probably the bunch of coverage from Sanyo Shimbun and I suggest a translation of ja:山田恭也 (I don't know football). Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 06:56, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – Per sources presented by Miminity. Svartner (talk) 18:35, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources above which (AGF) appear to show notability. Giant Snowman 18:37, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm glad I thought to Afd this as I was unsure if this was notable. Will add these sources when I get a moment. Thank you to Miminity for the sources! User:RossEvans19 talk 20:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of people from Cumbria

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Only links to two pages which only cover one town and one city in the whole county. This is unnecessary and the same information is widely available in categories. Thirdman (talk) 02:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Viktoria Vasilieva

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Non-notable figure skater; no senior-level medal placements. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep she has participated in many high-level regional competitions, and has earned metals. Article needs more sources which can be easily done. Marleeashton (talk) 02:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

All medals were junior-level, none of which qualify as notable per WP:NSKATE. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe that the intention of these guidelines were to be overly prescriptive. I see you have nominated many gymnast articles, while they don't meet the 'more likely to receive coverage' point they should be judged individually on their merits, not mass removed because they're less likely to receive coverage. Marleeashton (talk) 08:29, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We keep biographical articles (or not) based on whether they meet set standards for notability, not out of our personal, idiosyncratic notions as to what's important or not. Participation standards have been deprecated sports-wide, not even medalling at the Olympics is a guarantee of meeting standards, and if you believe there are valid sources that meet the GNG and provide significant coverage to the subject, proffer them. Ravenswing 06:33, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I couldn't find any independent WP:SIGCOV for this subject to meet the WP:GNG. The corresponding Russian article is also devoid of quality sources. Let'srun (talk) 04:00, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No evidence that GNG is met and no sources yet provided by keep voter.Canary757 (talk) 13:18, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep. These: [122] (Match TV), [123], [124] (both Sportbox.ru / Match TV), [125], [126] (both Sport Express), [127], [128], [129], [130], [131], [132], [133], [134], [135] (all Sports.ru) are more than enough.
I actually spent 10 minutes on this. But you can search like this →→→ https://yandex.ru/search/?text=Виктория+Васильева if you want to find more. Find her profiles on big sports sites and then look in the "News" section or search by tag. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These are all trivial coverage, barely a paragraph. First one talks about her partner's illness. Rest are unimpressive. I don't think we have notability. Oaktree b (talk) 02:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A note to the above voters. If you can't do a proper search, don't vote. --Moscow Connection (talk) 23:42, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A note to you; if you cannot acquaint yourself with the appropriate guidelines governing notability, don't vote at AfD. Ravenswing 06:22, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: A classic case of citation bombing above in utter ignorance of the provisions of the GNG and SIGCOV. The former holds "A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." The latter holds ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content." Interviews of the subject do not count. Namedrops ("Figure skater Roman Zaporozhets, who competes in pairs skating with Victoria Vasilyeva, told Match TV that the pair withdrew from the Grand Prix stage in Kazan due to his illness"), fleeting mentions and routine match coverage do not count. Lists of stats do not count. Ravenswing 06:29, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I've checked the first six sources above and the last one, there are trivial mentions, barely more than a paragraph each, simply confirming she's participated in xyz event. Oaktree b (talk) 02:53, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I checked each and every one of them as well; I just didn't bulletpoint each one. Ravenswing 06:57, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing found for this skater; a junior-level bronze medalist would barely make notability, IF we had extensive sourcing. With only what amount to blog posts, three lines of coverage and the like, we don't have the coverage needed. Oaktree b (talk) 02:55, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Putra Adhiguna

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I am unable to find any independent coverage of this BLP. The 15 sources cited in the article are author listings, biography listings, interviews, articles written by the subject, alumni listings, coverage from events, seminars, conferences, summits and more interviews. It is unclear what makes the subject notable or what their contributions are which could be used to assess whether any SNG is met. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 14:57, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. No WP:SIGCOV in the sources. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 23:39, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dear editor, this below is planned to be add to outline his contribution to the energy transition field. Look forward to your advice whether this will be sufficiently relevant. Thank you.

Putra has made notable contributions to research on Southeast Asia's energy transition. His research expertise spans various aspects of the energy transition, including in outlining the key enablers and challenges for Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) technology application (1), critical transition minerals sourcing and related industrial developments (2), as well as key factors to drive Indonesia’s energy transition (3)(4).

His perspectives on the energy sector have been regularly featured in major news outlets in the region, covering wide-ranging topics in energy such as gas investments in Southeast Asia (5), Singapore’s clean energy imports (6), and regional green energy cooperation in ASEAN (7).

His research works have also been cited in publications such as the International Energy Agency (IEA) report on Enhancing Indonesia’s Power System (8), RAND Corporation report on China’s Role in the Global Development of Critical Resources (9) and an article in Communications Earth & Environment journal (A part of Nature journal) titled The viability of co-firing biomass waste to mitigate coal plant emissions in Indonesia (10)

He was part of the team of international peer reviewers for the IEA report titled An Energy Sector Roadmap to Net Zero Emissions in Indonesia (11) and his insights and contribution has been acknowledged in International Institute for Sustainable Development publication titled Boom and Bust: The fiscal implications of fossil fuel phase-out in six large emerging economies (12)

(1) https://ieefa.org/resources/carbon-capture-southeast-asian-market-context-sorting-out-myths-and-realities-cost

(2) https://energyshift.institute/work/0-4-of-global-battery-production-capacity-indonesias-battery-and-ev-developments-are-far-out-of-step-with-its-nickel-exploitation-promise/

(3) https://ieefa.org/resources/indonesia-wants-go-greener-pln-stuck-excess-capacity-coal-fired-power-plants

(4) https://ieefa.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Indonesias-Biomass-Cofiring-Bet_February-2021.pdf

(5) https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/gas-investments-in-se-asia-undermine-green-energy-climate-push-report

(6) https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/st-explains-s-pore-announced-more-ambitious-clean-import-targets-what-would-this-mean-for-our-energy-transition

(7) https://www.chinadailyhk.com/hk/article/583121

(8) https://iea.blob.core.windows.net/assets/247b5328-2cd7-4fbb-a800-dd1c71f6e562/EnhancingIndonesiasPowerSystem.pdf

(9) https://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/research_reports/RRA2000/RRA2096-1/RAND_RRA2096-1.pdf

(10) https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-024-01588-0

(11) https://www.iea.org/reports/an-energy-sector-roadmap-to-net-zero-emissions-in-indonesia

(12) https://www.iisd.org/system/files/2022-07/fossil-fuel-phase-out-briics-economies.pdf

**Viewpoints and research

*Carbon Capture and Storage*

Putra’s view on Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) technology is that it will not be easily deployed in cost-sensitive regions such as Southeast Asia (13). However, more affluent countries, such as Singapore or Japan, might be interested in exporting their carbon dioxide emissions to countries that can provide storage locations (14). Nevertheless, he advocated that such export activities will require stringent standards with clear long term liability agreements (15) (16).

(13) https://ieefa.org/articles/widespread-adoption-carbon-capture-utilization-and-storage-technologies-south-east-asia

(14) https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/singapore-japan-sign-agreement-to-collaborate-on-carbon-capture-and-storage-tech

(15) https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Japan-cannot-make-CO2-disappear-just-by-exporting-it

(16) https://www.thejakartapost.com/business/2024/05/27/new-rules-set-to-kick-start-japanese-co2-exports-to-ri.html

*Critical Minerals for the Energy Transition*

His research on critical minerals primarily focused on nickel development and the battery and electric vehicle industry (2). He has advocated for more ambitious industrial developments to further enhance the role of producing countries in the battery and electric vehicle value chain (2).

Putra has also raised significant concerns about the low social and environmental standards of nickel development in Indonesia, including its implications for indigenous populations (17) and the potential use of forced labour (18). He has urged the government to conduct transparent assessments and implement improvements in these areas, as he outlined in his interviews with BBC News and Voice of America (17) (18).

(17) https://www.bbc.com/indonesia/articles/c1e5x2k7kp8o

(18) https://www.voaindonesia.com/a/amerika-serikat-masukkan-nikel-indonesia-ke-daftar-pekerja-paksa-/7816453.html

His expertise on critical minerals in Southeast Asia is evident from his interviews featured in prominent international publications such as The New York Times (19), Barron’s (20), NPR (21), The Straits Times (22), Channel News Asia (23) and Bloomberg news (24)

(19) https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/18/business/indonesia-nickel-china-us.html

(20) https://www.barrons.com/news/indonesia-bets-on-se-asia-s-first-battery-plant-to-become-ev-hub-8328fe72

(21) https://www.npr.org/2024/02/13/1231061492/a-leading-candidate-for-president-in-indonesia-wants-the-country-to-increase-coa

(22) https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/indonesia-set-to-become-ev-battery-battleground

(23) https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/indonesias-industrialisation-has-fallen-short-its-regional-peers-analyst-4122381

(24) https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/business/international/2024/10/17/indonesias-fixer-in-chief-bows-out-as-prabowo-takes-the-helm/

*Trump election, China and Southeast Asia’s Energy Transition*

With the recent election of Trump as President of the United States, Putra has shared his views on its impact toward the Southeast Asia’s energy transition in Asia's prominent news outlet, Nikkei Asia. According to him, Trump's withdrawal from international climate agreements will have a notable impact on climate diplomacy in Southeast Asia's energy transition, although its effect on energy investments in the region will likely remain limited. (25)

In separate publications featured in China's major news outlets, Caixin and China Daily, he argued that Trump's rise to power would likely create a larger role for China in Southeast Asia's energy transition (26) (27). Major Southeast Asian countries, such as Indonesia, stand to benefit significantly from increased engagement with China due to its capacity for rapid investment deployment. However, raising the standards of Chinese overseas investments remains essential. (27) Prior, he has also commented on Xinhua News how China’s coal provinces and their rapid industrial development toward clean energy can also provide inspirations for coal reliant economies to transition to greener industries (28)

(25) https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/How-Trump-might-shake-up-Southeast-Asia-s-clean-energy-transition

(26) https://www.caixinglobal.com/2024-12-06/commentary-will-a-trump-presidency-give-china-a-bigger-role-in-southeast-asias-energy-transition-102265317.html

(27) https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202412/10/WS67579329a310f1265a1d1fb0.html

(28) https://english.news.cn/20240917/b74ec11d54c244978a5b866ba286716f/c.html

*Indonesia’s energy Transition*

Putra has also been a notable voice in outlining the key enablers and challenges in Indonesia’s energy transition. This includes highlighting the considerations for the use of biomass to generate electricity on Reuters (29) and International Monetary Fund Finance & Development Magazine (30). He has also shared his views on Indonesia’s role in the climate and energy transition in international events held by the University of Maryland (31) in College Park and United States - Indonesia Society in Washington DC (32).

His views on the use of biomass and nuclear energy in Indonesia has been featured in Channel News Asia’s feature documentary titled “Power to the People – Bioenergy” (33) and “Insight - Will Indonesia Go Nuclear” (34).

His work while at IEEFA covering the plan for the use of Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) for Indonesia’s power generation (35) has been cited by Indonesia’s Corruption Eradication Commission report on its Corruption Vulnerability Assessment (Kajian kerentanan korupsi) (36).

He has also advocated the need to transition to greener energy in the islands of the archipelago, as outlined in an Associated Press article (34). Putra has also emphasized the need to optimize international assistance such as the $20 billion funding by U.S. and its allies (35) and anticipate energy consumption growth and emissions in new sectors such as the data centres (36).

(29) https://www.reuters.com/article/business/energy/feature-betting-on-bamboo-indonesian-villages-struggle-to-source-safe-green-po-idUSL8N2LU4I6/

(30) https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/fandd/issues/2022/12/country-case-indonesia-solar-future-jacques

(31) https://cgs.umd.edu/events/indonesias-climate-future-land-energy-and-governance-open-forum-discussion

(32) https://usindo.org/feature/special-open-forum-discussion-on-indonesias-climate-future-land-energy-and-governance/

(33) https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/power-people/bioenergy-4439271

(34) https://www.channelnewsasia.com/watch/insight-2022-2023/will-indonesia-go-nuclear-3029031

(35) https://www.kpk.go.id/id/publikasi-data/kajian/kerentanan-korupsi-program-gasifikasi-pembangkit-listrik-pt-pln

(36) https://apnews.com/article/business-indonesia-g-20-summit-bali-climate-and-environment-a73dcbcb60d9a42904f7d81025b5feac

(37) https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-allies-announce-20-billion-package-to-wean-indonesia-off-coal-11668503675

(38) https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/economics/article/3235499/dark-clouds-ahead-indonesias-emissions-surge-asias-need-data-centres-singapores-offshore-push 222.124.125.10 (talk) 06:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep I think they might meet criteria 7 of WP:NPROF. NPROF applies to anyone involved in scholarly research, so I think Adhiguna's roles at policy research think tanks qualify them to be considered under NPROF. Criteria 7 is that the subject must have "had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity", and it notes that being "frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert" may qualify. Adhiguna is clearly very widely quoted as an expert on the Indonesian energy transition, including in publications like the NYT, BBC and WSJ. They also seem to have had a significant impact outside of academia by using their scholarly research to inform Indonesian policymaking, including contributing to some influential reports like the IEA one and being a regular columnist on the energy transition for one of Indonesia's largest newspapers. I agree that they definitely don't meet WP:GNG, but I think they make a reasonable case under criteria 7 of WP:NPROF as an influential subject-matter expert. MCE89 (talk) 00:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please list their 'substantial impact' and explain how they are 'very widely quoted as an expert' after you have actually read the articles from the NYT, BBC and WSJ? Also, please clarify how you determined that these quotes have meaningful impact? I believe they are merely routine/run of the mill statements. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did read the articles. I'm not sure what you mean by routine/run of the mill statements - they are pretty clearly being quoted by each of these publications in their capacity as a subject matter expert, which is exactly what is described under 7(a) of WP:NPROF. As I said, I'm not claiming that any of these articles constitute SIGCOV or that the subject meets WP:GNG, but as someone engaged in "scholarly research" all that needs to be established is that they meet one of the seven criteria under NPROF. I think the most applicable criteria is that they have "had a substantial impact outside academia in their academic capacity", which may be satisfied if they are "frequently quoted in conventional media as an academic expert in a particular area" (note "quoted" - I'm aware that they are not a major focus of any of the articles, but they are certainly widely quoted as an expert on the Indonesian energy transition). So the reason I think they meet criteria 7 is that (a) they have been widely quoted in prominent international media outlets, including the WSJ, NYT, BBC, Reuters etc., as an expert in their area of research, satisfying 7(a) of NPROF, and (b) they have clearly influenced Indonesian policymaking in their area of research, as demonstrated by being cited or consulted on various government projects and publications. MCE89 (talk) 05:36, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, TLDR: you actually don’t have anything meaningful or substantial to show from the NYT, BBC or WSJ articles? Instead, you’ve decided to explain NPROF#7 to me. Fascinating, but I’m still waiting for evidence of this so called ‘significant impact’.

Let's take the NYT example: Putra Adhiguna says “One way or another, Europe and the U.S. will need Indonesia nickel" and "They should be coming to this country figuring out how they can do it better." This is just a routine interview byte as he was part of Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis.. They almost always comment on everything and that’s why this falls under routine coverage.

The entire article reads like a collection of his viewpoints and arguments - Putra Adhiguna emphasized this, Putra Adhiguna shared his views on that, Putra Adhiguna argued this, Putra Adhiguna commented on that - just a series of views, emphasizes, comments and arguments. Yet, there’s nothing about the work he has done or his achievements, because there aren’t any. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe tone it down a bit? My point was just that all of those articles are very standard examples of what it looks like when an expert in a particular field is quoted in the mainstream press about their area of expertise, which is exactly what 7(a) describes. Yes, it's a routine interview bite, but that's what "quoted in conventional media as an academic expert" is describing. I'm not claiming that any of these sources are SIGCOV of Putra Adhiguna, but that's not what's required - NPROF specifically says that researchers may be "notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources". It seems like you're applying the GNG standard and asking for secondary SIGCOV of the work he has done and his achievements, but I don't think NPROF requires that at all. What I'm saying is that the fact that he is a public-facing expert who frequently comments in the international press, writes for major Indonesian newspapers and seems to have some measurable influence on policymaking processes in Indonesia is enough to show that he is "notably influential in the world of ideas" per NPROF, even without the secondary SIGCOV that would be needed to meet GNG.

We're in agreement about the absence of SIGCOV though and I don't think this is particularly productive, so let's maybe leave it there? MCE89 (talk) 08:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Without concrete examples of specific policies shaped by his work or recognition within academic or policy circles, it’s hard to see how his routine media mentions meet the bar set by NPROF. It seems more like he was quoted in conventional media as a person working for the Institute for Energy Economics and Financial Analysis rather than as an academic expert. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 09:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I can't evaluate the wall of text and citation dump, but I can see very clearly that the subject badly fails WP:PROF: he lacks any engineering, teaching, education, or scientific degree – as well as an earned doctorate of any kind. He has never published or even written any peer-reviewed articles. He is a basically a talking head. For that, he should be evaluated using WP:SIGCOV. Bearian (talk) 00:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many resources are not related to the subject of this biography article. Even more do not discuss this subject. More citations/resources needed that discuss this subject significantly. I'm agree with the nominator talk about this article. Ariandi Lie ^{Let's talk} 04:16, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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weak keep: In addition to the quotes above, appears to be a semi-regular columnist in the Jakarta Post on energy issues. I think we can have a !weak keep for the PROF as explained aobve. Oaktree b (talk) 03:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sorry, here [136] and [137]. Oaktree b (talk) 03:02, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gina Hiraizumi

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Non-notable American actress. The closest to WP:SIGCOV I found was a few sentences here. JTtheOG (talk) 01:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Imakuni?

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Very few sources exist actually covering this guy. The article's in a weird spot where he's technically a mascot/fictional character yet also a real person. Coverage on him is sparse regardless. In English there's very little on him in Books, News, and Scholar in the way of SIGCOV, and even in Japanese it's primarily just announcements of collaborations or promotional articles and the like. The current article is primarily subsisting on trivial mentions and primary sources, with little in the way of actual notability. A potential AtD could potentially be a merge to List of Pokémon characters, but I'm admittedly unsure given his unique status. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:31, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect and/or merge to said list. He seems to be extremely niche and GNG-failing, based on the sources present. Heavy case of WP:FANCRUFT. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Piotrus. Fails the WP:GNG. Shooterwalker (talk) 19:01, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Irving Scott

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Non-notable magician. No sigcov provided for this story-like article to distinguish it from a hoax. Jdcooper (talk) 01:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete References are just random archived message board postings. Unable to find any coverage. Marleeashton (talk) 07:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep there are a number of book sources referenced in the article that need assessment and this entry here links to several books and listing of 2 magazine articles about him, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of NFL quarterbacks by teams beaten

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Does not pass WP:NLIST from my perspective, and comes across as WP:Fancruft/trivia. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Article literally copies off one source to present the information, and this is usually only a headline superlative rather than something really followed closely. Nate • (chatter) 17:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes NLIST. [138][139][140][141][142] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems to be a copy of a single source, and is arbitrarily cut off at "all teams but four". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarityfiend's merge proposal also sounds very reasonable to me, so I'd be cool with either. No opinion on how much the list should be trimmed if we ultimately go with merge. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep if renamed List of NFL quarterbacks who have beaten every team in the league and trimmed. (Also remove the criterion "beaten every team he faced at least once", which is just made up.) It satisfies NLIST, but only for every team, not every team but n (n=1, 2, 3, etc.). This is a rare achievement which requires a QB to go to another team and then beat his former team. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Alternatively merge to List of NFL individual records#Quarterback wins, but just the half dozen QBs who have done it all. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I'd support a trim and merge. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I personally don't believe the list should be trimmed to just those six players. The sources discuss a lot more players than just those six. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to trim list, it should include the six who beat all teams plus the qbs who stayed with one team throughout their career and beat all other teams (Bradshaw, Elway, ect.) Spparky (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the sources that support this addition? I don't see any. (The closest I can find is that Mahomes is the youngest to beat all 31 other teams, and that's a different kettle of fish.) Otherwise, this is just an unwarranted stretching of the boundary. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trim and merge to List of NFL individual records#Quarterback wins. Specifically, I would add a bullet for those retired QBs who have beaten all but one team if they spent their entire career with one team. This would remove Ken Stabler, Alex Smith and Kerry Collins because they played for multiple teams. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kerry Collins is listed in three of the sources above though. Here is an excerpt: "Oddly, one other quarterback, Kerry Collins, beat 31 teams, but the team Collins never beat, the Dolphins, wasn’t one of the teams he played for. Collins actually started against the Dolphins four times while playing for four different teams, but lost all four games." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find it more notable that a QB spent their entire career with one team and beat every other team in the league (31/31) than being traded and still not beating every team in the league (31/32). Collins wouldn't be on the list of "all but one" if he had never been traded since he never beat the Dolphins. In the end, that will be a decision to be made by the closing administrator. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may find it more WP:interesting, but that's not what Wikipedia is based on. Sources! Where are your sources? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If sources were the only criterion, then we would have hundreds of times more articles than we do now. I was featured in my hometown newspapers covering my Eagle Scout project, so should I have a Wikipedia article? The answer is no, because I do not meet WP:GNG despite the fact I can provide sources. At what point do we stop adding names to these lists? Your argument, to me, seems more along the lines of WP:ILIKEIT than putting forward any policy-based or guideline-based argument. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your example, an article in a local paper about a local person/event, does not qualifiy as a Wikipedial source. You are confusing verifiability with notability. [Pet peeve alert: Why do you and others keep typing "::*:", "*::", etc., when the asterisk does nothing unless it is at the end?] Clarityfiend (talk) 09:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clarityfiend: You asked about my sources, so I provided a hypothetical to show that I can find sources for someone not notable (I specifically said I do not meet GNG). In reference to the pet peeve, I'm not typing the colons and asterisks. That is Wikipedia's "Reply" function probably just adding a colon to the end of whatever indenting text already exists. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 23:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports writers have written about QBs with wins against all teams as a group (I'm stretching just to include the two who beat the 28 then-existing teams), as demonstrated by WikiOriginal-9. None have written about all but one, with or without weird qualifiers/conditions, as a group (sorry, Collins). Clarityfiend (talk) 04:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This has enough discussion in secondary sources to allow us to have an article on it. The issues above all seem like editing issues, not notability issues. SportingFlyer T·C 20:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trim and merge per Clarityfiend. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:FANCRUFT WP:NOTSTATS. Excessive niche statscruft sourced by a single outlet. Ajf773 (talk) 22:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sourcing currently in the article is an editing issue, there are plenty of different sources above. SportingFlyer T·C 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Four of five of WikiOriginal-9's sources above discuss these "32-win" QBs as a group, so NLIST is satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, there is only one source currently in the article, and it's a database website, but this is clearly notable. The editing just needs to be cleaned up. Other sources include [143] [144] SportingFlyer T·C 04:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The souces provided in this discussion, particularly the CBS Sports, NBC Sports, and Sporting News articles each cover the list as a grouping for WP:NLIST to be met. Let'srun (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The strongest arguments thus far are for a merger or a trimmed version, but I'm simply not seeing consensus on any of the options. Given the specific options proposed, it would be useful for future !voters to engage with them specifically.
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I frankly don't think "Quarterback beat all teams but three" (or four) merits mention in an encyclopedia at all. I would merge everything above two into quarterback records. However, given the size of List of NFL individual records, and the key role played by quarterbacks in the game, I would split out a separate List of NFL quarterback records. BD2412 T 20:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is an arbitrary cutoff not supported by the sportswriters. Guys who are at 31 are mentioned, if at all, merely in passing and not as a group. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Clarityfiend: It is certainly less arbitrary than the current situation, with up to four teams listed. For reasons set forth in the discussion above, it makes sense to list those who have only failed to defeat one team because that will include those who spent their entire career with the one team that was therefore not defeated. It is no burden on the encyclopedia to list those who have defeated all but two teams just the same. BD2412 T 18:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete In my view, the fact that there is a sports news article every time someone newly meets one of this article's criteria isn't enough to establish WP:NLIST; they all just fall under WP:ROUTINE. Obscure statistics frequently appear in ROUTINE references; we can still take an intellectual assessment of the arbitrariness or cruftiness of the list and decide that it's not worthy of encyclopedic record. Aspirex (talk) 06:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE is a guideline connected to events, which doesn't apply here. Let'srun (talk) 20:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs, and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine." Coverage about statistical marks being broken in the moment can very much be interpreted as falling under sports scores routine. Aspirex (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're kidding, right? How can quarterback win records ever be construed as sports scores? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to make sure to note this is clearly, clearly not WP:ROUTINE. It's a list of statistics which have been covered by many different outlets. SportingFlyer T·C 01:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I still do not see a consensus here. My instinct is to go with the Merge suggestion but there are quite a few editors arguing strongly for a Keep so I'm relisting this discussion.
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Comment Amongst the differing views for this AfD, I see the rationale for deletion and keep being solid. However, that happens with WP:TRIVIA. This is trivia that may or may not cross the GNG threshold. I do not think the merge target really works since the record for Most NFL teams defeated at least once, career is already there, but at the same time deleting for the sake of cruft or lack of GNG may work. That being said, perhaps a no consensus may be what is determined. I would rather this article be trimmed, and written to fit some other obscure stats that probably have GNG. Conyo14 (talk) 23:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Simply put, there are enough articles on it from a variety of different sources to make it eligible for a stand-alone article. If there needs to be a merge or editorial discussion, that can happen elsewhere. SportingFlyer T·C 00:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is quite clearly trivia from my perspective and the one possible notable portion is someone having beaten all teams but the one they played for. Sites often mention trivia, it doesn't make it notable to just be a fun fact. Hey man im josh (talk) 02:18, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per TRIVIA, A trivia section is one that contains a disorganized and unselective collection of facts or examples. This is clearly not the case here, it's clearly a very discriminate statistic. SportingFlyer T·C 03:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad that is only an opinion. I do not wish to vote on this one simply due to how this article is written and open-ended the sources are. Conyo14 (talk) 07:33, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer: Regardless of any Wiki policy or writing, this is pretty clearly just a "fun fact" / trivia. It's not something anybody actually cares about or notes in a serious capacity. It's not an accolade that's added to player record or info sections. It's just something that you go "huh, neat" to any move on from. You know why? Because wins are a team stat, not something specific to quarterbacks. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:08, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Again, opinions are not policy. SportingFlyer T·C 19:54, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I could see keeping the article as "List of NFL quarterbacks who defeated every team" and trimming it to those quarterbacks and possibly those who defeated all but one (since if you played only for one team you obviously couldn't beat that team and I have no doubt that there would be sources that such quaterbacks defeated every other team). But how is something like "quarterbacks who defeated all but four teams" anything but OR? Rlendog (talk) 15:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's an editorial argument, not a notability argument. I wouldn't have any problem with trimming the list. SportingFlyer T·C 18:38, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand why we would need a whole article for two stats when it could go in the List of NFL individual records. Conyo14 (talk) 19:09, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I think this qualifies for a third relisting. There seems to be a weak consensus against keeping this as a standalone article (despite some editors presenting legitimate evidence for notability) but definitely not a consensus for deletion and no consensus on how to handle some degree of merging. Closing this as no consensus seems like closing against consensus and so perhaps a third relist will provide clarity on a merge/rename/plan.
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Democrates

For a concise explanation of the case for deletion of this article, see User:Twozenhauer's response to User:Liz below.

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I humbly submit that this article may safely be either taken down, merged, or changed to a redirect. Its principal claim to notability, I believe, is the occasional misattribution of Democritus’s sayings or likeness to one Democrates.

With regard to the former, according to our article on Democritus, Diels and Kranz attribute these sayings to Democritus, and this article repeats this attribution. As for the likeness, it can hardly be denied that the bust in the picture is stamped “Democrates,” and, indeed, the Wedgwood Museum’s website seems to list the very piece here under that name; that Museum’s website is hardly informative. Now, the Metropolitan Museum of Art has a similar piece also stamped “Democrates” but clearly catalogued as “Democritus.” Did someone at the Wedgwood company repeatedly make the same mistake? This hardly seems unlikely to me, but what say my fellow editors?

I do confess that the likeness is unlike some of those we have for Democritus, as that in the Villa of the Papyri, but it is hardly unlike his representation in numerous other portraits. Indeed, the painting by Coypel, loath as we may be to accept the authenticity of so modern a vision, seems based on an old tradition; a cursory search will, I believe, at worst, reveal to anyone conflicting traditions of his appearance with, nonetheless, a bias towards that seen in the Wedgwood bust. A worker at the company might have repeatedly made the mistake of labeling the likeness "Democrates", but did Coypel, who predates it, mistake with "Démocrite"? And many other artists in the tradition of the “laughing” or “smiling philosopher”?

That he was the founder of the basic concepts of democracy is obvious nonsense. (Among other considerations, were he a contemporary of Apollonius of Tyana, he would have lived centuries after the heyday of Athenian democracy!)

Mind you, Democrates is not an invalid Greek name. There is Democrates of Aphidna, and it is also attested to in, e.g., this article about Euripides, this work of the theologian Sepulveda, and, as I gather, a genus of beetles. Indeed, Livy apparently states that a Democrates led the Tarentines at the Battle of Sapriportis, but, although the name on that article links to the page about the supposed philosopher, their biographies could hardly agree. Furthermore, the name appears on the list of Druze prophets on this page, but I can find no citations to that effect. (This last, in particular, might make me suspect a hoax, though I make no such formal accusation here!)

Even if the Democrates article gave dates significantly after the laughing philosopher, they would not account for the difference in dates between the Tarentine commander and the Druze prophet, and, even if they did, they would not account for the article’s lack of biographical detail, unless a military command and posthumous religious veneration do not qualify as notable!

But, forgive me: I understand that those links need not really enter into the argument; they were, no doubt, added in good faith, or, at least, the one from the Tarentine commander to the supposed philosopher was.

Also, regarding biographical detail, the noted epistle of Apollonius seems to me suspect as a citation, for, as we have said, Democrates is a genuine Greek name, and the mere existence of an Apollonian contemporary by that name hardly justifies the rest of the article. (Also, in fact, it is epistle 96, not 88, but that may be beside the point!)

What harm would be done by noting more fully the occasional attributions to Democrates on Democritus’s article and changing Democrates’s to a redirect to Democritus? Or perhaps a disambiguation page could disambiguate things: a link to Democrates of Ephidna, a link to Sepulveda, a link to and a note on Democritus, and a note about the military commander. Pleased to take further part in the debate but better able to leave the question to more sage considerations than my own, I am sincerely yours, Twozenhauer (talk) 00:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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What about the Golden Sentences/ Golden Maxims of Democrates? This seems to be attributed to him even if nothing else is? I think the disputed historicity is clearly displayed in the article, so as it stands I am happy to keep, maybe with more commentary on historicity?Spiralwidget (talk) 15:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to Spiralwidget: Thank you for your consideration of this matter! But even considering the Golden Sentences, I am in favor of one of the options I have mentioned above. Near as I can tell, the article’s best quality is its statement that “many scholars argue that these maxims all originate from an original collection of sayings of Democritus”; granted, as the article goes on to say, “others believe that there was a different little-known Democrates whose name became confused with the much better-known Democritus.”

But with regard to the former statement, I refer my fellow editors also to this article by a scholar named Searby, which I quote here:

“The two most important sources for the ethical fragments of Democritus are Stobaeus' Anthology and the so-called ‘golden maxims of Democrates’ (a much discussed misnomer). Through a careful comparison, [the scholar Gerlach] confirms Lortzing's conclusion that Stobaeus utilized a collection of Democritus' maxims nearly identical with the pseudo-Democrates collection, which, for [Gerlach], has the methodological consequence of making Stobaeus an indirect witness to that tradition, complicated by the thematic rearrangement in the Stobaean anthology.” (emphasis mine)

But, truth be told, I have not found a tremendous amount of discussion per se; scholars seem by-and-large in agreement about “pseudo-Democrates”. Another confident attribution of the sayings to Democritus is this somewhat older piece by M. L. West.

I do not have access to the Democrates article’s cited The Atomists, Leucippus and Democritus (though it is mentioned in the Searby review cited above), but, in the article’s defense, I could advance this notice from 1925, which seems to present the attribution of Democrates to Democritus as somewhat new; but, even if I did so, I would have, at best, to advance merger of the Democrates article with that of Democrates of Aphidna: the noted dissertation by Philippson is a refutation of one Laue’s dissertation from 1921, in which the latter scholar, according to this contemporary report, advanced Democrates of Aphidna as the author of the sayings, which were apparently already widely attributed to Democritus. The report speaks of the same Philippson paper thus:

“Philippson is led to discuss the authenticity, character, and transmission of the ethical precepts of Democritus in reviewing H. Laue's dissertation . . . Laue's main contention is that the collection of precepts bearing the name of Democrates is not to be ascribed to Democritus, but to the Attic orator of that name from Aphidna. On this basis Laue tries to distinguish the style and content of the Democrates maxims from what he considers to be the genuine sayings of Democritus. Philippson points out that thirty-one precepts of the Democrates collection appear also in Stobaeus, and probably more were contained in the lost eclogues. Therefore the testimony of the Stobaeus MSS., which show the frequent occurrence of Democrates for Democritus, although the latter predominates, makes it highly probable that the author of the sayings in the above collection was Democritus. Moreover Lortzing has shown that Stobaeus obtained his Democritus precepts from the same source from which the Democrates collection was derived . . . . “ (emphases mine)

So, I submit that note of the conflicting attributions might be made on the articles for both Democritus and Democrates of Aphidna; Democrates as we have it may, I believe, be deleted or changed to a redirect, but hardly stand as it is: at very least, he is not the only Democrates, and his article’s title should not suggest that he is the standout holder of that name!

This is more by way of a postscript: Is it not also curious that the note at the beginning of the article calls him a first-century philosopher? His supposed correspondence with Apollonius would place him then, but the article goes on to say that his Ionic dialect is evidence of composition at “a very early period”; but then his possible contemporaneity with Julius Caesar seems to bring him closer to the first-century (but B. C.!) date. But this could be fixed even were the article retained. Twozenhauer (talk) 06:37, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

User:Twozenhauer, can you cut down your deletion rationale for this article to two short paragraphs and "hat" the rest of your comments in case anyone wants to read them? Because I don't anticipate any editors with the patience to wade through your entire statements here. Please be concise in the future. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:40, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

- User:Liz, Certainly; thank you for your interest! Pardon my prolixity and my ignorance of “hats”; will the note I have placed suffice? §Scholars seem generally in agreement that the works of the supposed Democrates are in fact to be attributed to the well-known Democritus. Confusion of the names was not uncommon long ago, nor has it abated. The article as written relies upon a very few scraps of biographical detail, some conflicting and all doubtful, including its basic premise that Democrates is the author of the Golden Sayings or Sentences. Indeed, even those who question Democritus’s well-evidenced and widely-accepted authorship have only this premise on which to build a biography of a man who probably did not exist as such. The lone ready exception is a scholar who gives authorship of the Sayings to Democrates of Aphidna, who has an article with us. §I submit that the article on "Democrates" be deleted or changed to a disambiguation page: Pseudo-Democrates, the scholarly moniker by which the uncertain author of the Sayings is sometimes called, could be among the bullets; Democritus, too, with Democrates noted as a probable misspelling; Democrates of Aphidna could make another. On the articles for the latter two, a note about possible authorship of the Sayings could easily be slipped in. Twozenhauer (talk) 02:07, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. While the historicity of Democrates and authorship of his Golden Sayings are the subject of debate, that alone makes this a valid topic for coverage on Wikipedia. While some scholars attribute this work to Democritus, or to a different Democrates, others evidently do not. A sentence from the original article on which this one was based says that the identification of Democrates with Democritus is a mistake resulting from confusion between similar names. Is it? Wikipedia can cover the debate, but shouldn't be taking sides. Even if Democrates could be convincingly shown to be a phantom—which this article certainly does not do—the long discussion over whether he existed would still be worthy of coverage, and presumably under this title, since it would be a significant digression for a single work of Democritus. P Aculeius (talk) 16:23, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: No consensus here yet. I'm considering giving out barnstars to any experienced editors willing to assess all of the commentary here. Thank you!
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And thank you! Now, by way of replying to User:P Aculeius:

Thank you for your comment, and thank you especially for finding the link to Smith’s Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography and Mythology. But I quite agree that the topic deserves to be covered here, and I believe your points about attribution are significantly addressed above. I do see your point about digression, though I still believe the controversy should be briefly addressed on Democritus and Democrates of Aphidna, perhaps with one or two of the citations above, e.g. from West or Searby, &c., as well as Smith. Also, the venerable source whose link you have fixed actually lists the orator from Aphidna first under his name! So, would I be wrong to persist in arguing that this Democrates, at least, should not be the bearer of an article simply so titled? Twozenhauer (talk) 03:41, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The DGRBM lists all persons named Democrates together, but on Wikipedia article titling works a little differently. Where there is "natural disambiguation", there is no need to decide which of two or three articles is the "primary topic". While we could make "Democrates" a disambiguation page pointing to this Democrates, Democrates of Aphidna, other Democratetes who don't have articles, and persons with similar names (the various persons named Democritus being the obvious examples), the normal title to do so under would be "Democrates (disambiguation)". Leaving this Democrates and Democrates of Aphidna the only obvious targets for "Democrates". And between the two of them, a pair of hatnotes would be simpler. I think that this article should be left here, with a hatnote leading to Democrates of Aphidna and perhaps also a disambiguation page along the lines I just mentioned. P Aculeius (talk) 14:29, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pioneer Fund (Venture Capital Firm)

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Non-notable venture capital firm. No sources I could find that satisfy general notability or NCORP, not to mention the handful of low quality ones listed in the article, which range from self-published to routine. The TechCrunch ones are about a third party and not the firm itself. PK650 (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, calling out this cited Inc. article which hails the fund as the most active investor in silicon valley, thoughts on it? BananaManCanDance (talk) 05:03, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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NCAA Division II football win–loss records

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Subject does not appear to have the requisite coverage to meet the WP:NLIST, as the only source is from the NCAA and a cursory search turned up no non-database sources. Article was undeleted at REFUND after it was deleted at PROD but there has been no sources added since. Let'srun (talk) 01:09, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Per WP:BUNDLE, I'm nominating the following article for deletion due to the same reason

Let'srun (talk) 01:13, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTSTATS. They didn't event get all the D3 teams. Smh. Conyo14 (talk) 03:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and Conyo. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 04:34, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - per WP:NLIST, "one accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources". NCAA DII & DIII schools are often discussed as a group by reliable sources, and the schools themselves and NCAA D2/D3 are all independently notable. Not sure why WP:NOTSTATS was mentioned, it fairly clearly does not apply here. glman (talk) 16:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Glman: You are correct that NCAA DII & DIII schools are often discussed as a group by reliable sources, but to me that is a justification for List of NCAA Division II football programs and List of NCAA Division III football programs, not this article. From what I understood, NOTSTATS is relevant here because this could be considered an "excessive listing of unexplained statistics"; the topic of this list is not explicitly stated in prose in the article at all (however obvious it may be from the title of the article, the title of the table, or the contents of the table itself), and the list is not given any context. The numbers are just laid out with nothing added to make it more valuable than some database source website somewhere. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:19, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the fact that the DIII list contains only 20 teams (and the No. 1 ranked team is a school that has apparently played a whopping one game) sort of undermines the "group or set" argument since the vast majority of said group is absent from the list. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:21, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure win–loss records are excessive or confusing. Nationwide opinion polling for the 2012 United States presidential election is the example given at NOTSTATS that was moved to its own article. Also, MOS:AVOIDBOLD says "If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the first sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it." Thanks, ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that they are not confusing, just that the wording of NOTSTATS seems to agree with the state of this article. The statistics listed in this article are, indeed, unexplained, and they're given no context or background information, which is not the case for the polling article you linked. I have no issue with the fact that there's no bold text at the start of the article, my issue is the total lack of context whatsoever (the "lead paragraph" of each article gives no indication as to what the article is about). The whole list is sourced to a single NCAA document which was published in 2017, meaning that the list is lazily sourced (read: unsourced) at best and OR at worst. The D3 article is even worse, since its one and only source links to a table which, without other user input, displays only "No data available in table". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:52, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

War Eagle, Arkansas (film)

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I am nominating this as this article doesn't meet notability. Even its Rotten Tomatoes entry shows only one review. As well the article was written by HannoverHouse, who was a distributor for the film. source. So this article was also meant to be an advertisement. GamerPro64 01:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. One review in Rotten Tomatoes, already linked in article, and I found another top of the search in Ebsco (War Eagle, Arkansas. By: Kaplan, Paul, Library Journal 2/1/2012, Vol. 137, Issue 2) as well as a note that it won Best Feature Film at the Connecticut Film Festival in 2008 (Soule, Alexander. Film fest ends run. Fairfield County Business Journal. 6/9/2008, Vol. 47 Issue 23, p2). Proquest also came up with 71 hits for the quoted title; from the first few there are two video reviews (Keogh, T. The Video Librarian; (Jan 1, 2012) & Anonymous. Library Journal; Vol. 137, Iss. 2, (Feb 01, 2012)), another review of the film (no text; Ratcliff, Ashley. Home Media Magazine; Vol. 33, Iss. 46, (Nov 14-Nov 20, 2011): 30.), and some details on a film festival showing in the New York Times (A Film Festival That Showcases the Disabled. New York Times Sep 16, 2008.). Generally where that much coverage falls on the first few hits there's a lot more to be found on digging. Espresso Addict (talk) 01:28, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chakobsa (Dune)

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The notability for this stub article about a fictional language relies on its use in two films, and I don't see significant growth potential. The entry at Glossary of Dune (franchise) terminology#C is an acceptable redirect destination, and already includes the primary two sentences of content. I'm dubious about the notability of the newly added Phonology information, but even if it and other possible sourced additions are deemed as notable, this minor subtopic is more appropriate in Dune (franchise)#Additional linguistic and historic influences than as its own article. — TAnthony^Talk 01:00, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nom. Not much in the way of coverage, but perfectly slottable into a larger article where it can be better covered. Magneton Considerer: Pokelego999 (Talk) (Contribs) 01:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG. This is a notable conlang used in two notable films (Dune and Dune: Part Two). The fact that the article is a stub does not mean that it should be deleted. See WP:TOOSHORT: Wikipedia has many stubs. These should not be deleted for this reason but should be marked as stubs. Even if the 'article' is really a dictionary entry, if there is published, reliable evidence of even the slightest potential for it to be expanded beyond this, it should be kept. Khiikiat (talk) 01:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also: Keep per WP:HEY. Khiikiat (talk) 16:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand you're going for a Dothraki language thing, but in my opinion, this fictional language is just not as notable as that one, at this time, based on the coverage. And I have criticisms of the Dothraki article as well. The criteria for a topic's inclusion in Wikipedia in general is different from the criteria for a topic to be a standalone article. I do appreciate the work you're putting in on the stub, but to be honest it seems like you're straining to make this topic more than it is.— TAnthony^Talk 22:42, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect for now. Some mention in NYT but not seeing 'Chakobsa' in NYorker. GS query shows some passing mentions. If anyone thinks this is notable (which is possible but not guaranteed), the burden is on them to show it with sources, not vague claims. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:05, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
not seeing 'Chakobsa' in NYorker: The article in The New Yorker does not use the term Chakobsa, but the article is about the creation of the Fremen language, which is Chakobsa. Khiikiat (talk) 16:32, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per nom. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 13:48, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY now includes plenty of references to meet GNG and development information. Jclemens (talk) 00:50, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sommer Ray

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Her page is barebones and you can't expand it with anything that isn't promo content. She clearly isn't notable enough. Strawberries1 (talk) 03:12, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment @Strawberries1: For future AfDs, you may want to make sure that this is transcluded on the log page and that you notify the article's creator. I’ve done that for you this time, but there are also instructions on WP:AFDHOWTO. SK2242 (talk) 00:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - The sourcing isn’t amazing (People Magazine being the best one there) but it scrapes past WP:GNG. SK2242 (talk) 00:51, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep per SK2242. A hard one to assess because there's so much coverage of her, it's just than 99% of it is useless garbage. But agree that there's enough in marginally reliable sources that she probably scrapes past WP:GNG. Hard to tell whether all of these meet WP:RS, but here are a few more articles about her that at least have a bylined reporter and seem not terrible: [145] [146] [147] [148] [149] MCE89 (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Two of those links are just about who she dated, which is irrelevant. She dated MGK, so what? And Taylor Holder is a nobody. Her having a dating podcast that she no longer goes on isn't relevant, either. The Seventeen article is probably the best link there, but it's not like there's a page for Imaraïs. If there was actually "so much coverage of her" (relevant coverage, anyway), then you'd actually be able to expand this article with credible sources. Strawberries1 (talk) 00:51, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I follow what you mean by the subject matter being irrelevant or useless, Strawberries1? As long as it is SIGCOV of her, it doesn't matter what we think of the subject matter - the fact that there's coverage about who she's dating or that she had a podcast is fine to count towards WP:GNG as long as it meets the other requirements. And your personal beliefs like Taylor Holder being "a nobody" definitely aren't things that we can consider when assessing notability. The only requirements are that that there is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Is there one of those requirements that you think isn't met here? MCE89 (talk) 01:20, 10 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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