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2031 Africa Cup of Nations

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Delete per WP:TOOSOON. A redirect with this same title was also deleted for the same reason in November 2024 (see: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 31#2031 Africa Cup of Nations). CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:59, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, per nom. It it way too soon for this article to exist. Esolo5002 (talk) 22:27, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We need to stamp out the perceived need to create articles years ahead of time. Wikipedia does not stage a contest to be the first to create such articles. Geschichte (talk) 23:53, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Per nom and that it's unreferenced with no information, other than that an event may take place in 2031.

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Delete as way WP:TOOSOON. Not enough information known to even warrant a redirect to parent article. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:40, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Selection of host/s for the 2029 tournament is ongoing. No WP:SIGCOV on this future event. QEnigma talk 11:48, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1927 Finnish Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Finnish Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Finnish Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect all to Finnish Figure Skating Championships. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:59, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1996 Estonian Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Estonian Figure Skating Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:22, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Estonian Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Estonian Figure Skating Championships, which could have been boldly done. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please see the rigamarole at AFD:2001–02 Swedish Figure Skating Championships, where I had tried to do just that, based on past precedence, and still got my ass handed to me and accused of trying to be "sneaky". I'm not dealing with that sort of bad-faith accusatory bullshit again, so AFD is where all of these will go. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Estonian Figure Skating Championships: Non-notable competitions which fail to meet the WP:GNG. No issues with the nom bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 01:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Estonian Figure Skating Championships--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:44, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JCC Maccabi Youth Games

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Redirect to parent org Maccabi World Union, where it is better contextualized. Youth version of the notable Maccabiah Games. Longhornsg (talk) 16:13, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge (highly selectively) into Jewish Community Center. I do not see it mentioned at the target so the proposed redirect is not really an option. Plus, it's basically a program of the Jewish Community Centers, in collaboration with Maccabi. gidonb (talk) 03:43, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Walls

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Non-notable sportscaster. Deletion suggested at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mark Spain. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 11:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Nothing in the article establishing notability about an unremarkable broadcasting career. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 06:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

1996 Dutch Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Dutch Figure Skating Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Dutch Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect all. Such articles create huge fragmentation and repeat data that we need and already carry, with data that we do not need to carry as a general encyclopedia. The extra data is the domain of sport databases. Figure skating is not a big sport in the Netherlands. Speed skating is. Even there, where we could justify the annual spinoffs, we suffer from too much data and too little writeup. gidonb (talk) 04:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as it seems like most of these bundled nominations have been turned into Redirects.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Liz, you can redirect all of these articles. I included that as an option in the original nomination, and the end result is the same. Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2005 Danish Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Danish Figure Skating Championships. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Danish Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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2006 Latvian Figure Skating Championships

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Non-notable figure skating competition. Recommend deletion or redirect to Latvian Figure Skating Championships. I will attach all subsequent competitions in this series shortly. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Here is my problem with these stand-alone articles. All four disciplines are often not contested. There are often not enough competitors to award a bronze medal, and in some cases, even a silver medal. Many of these competitions featured no more than two or three participants. And most of the competitors who are listed are redlinked or unlinked (ie. themselves not notable). The competition results and scores are included (or should be included) on a skaters' individual article. The medal results are included on the parent article (in this case, Latvian Figure Skating Championships). But these nations with small national championships are just not worth trying to maintain individual articles for each competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:49, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2029 ICC Champions Trophy

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This is rather supposed to be a redirect but checking the history will tell you that there are editors who keeps reverting the restoration of the redirect, the very last restoration of redirect was done by me and mine was just reverted by the same user. This is way WP:TOOSOON to qualify for a standalone page right now. Fails WP:GNG, etc. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: WP:TOOSOON; Draftify at least. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:TOOSOON. I oppose moving to draftspace, as draftspace is not an indefinite holding area, and it will be 2+ years (probably longer) until more information is known. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: I don’t see WP:TOOSOON is a valid reason for deletion in this instance. According to WP:FUTURE, notable and highly likely future events should be included (such as 2032 Summer Olympics). Given that the venue has already been confirmed, the article could simply be updated or moved after the 2025 edition concludes or closer to that time and so I strongly oppose deletion.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 09:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Way down in the future for year 2029 and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nor is it a collection of unverifiable content. RangersRus (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Shrug02 (talk) 00:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how WP:CRYSTAL applies here when the event is already announced? FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I am not sure if WP:TOOSOON applies to such a big event. We already have a page for the 2030 FIFA World Cup and 2034 FIFA World Cup. It is about coverage from independent sources at least for the announcement of the event, and maybe the ongoing preparations. I can see that 3 out of the 4 sources are from the ICC but the event is mentioned in Times of India, SportStar, Free Press Journal, India Express, Sky, The Nation, The Sporting News, and Hindustan Times. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FuzzyMagma: because, it's only the year and hosts that have been confirmed. Qualification and Format haven't been announced yet and could change, thus they are just speculations so, WP:CRYSTAL. Unlike, 2034 FIFA World Cup which at least has more confirmed stuffs rather than speculations. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A wrong understanding of WP:CRYSTAL it seems. There is no requirement that the qualification process or format for future events must be announced in advance for the article to be standalone. Speculation is unfounded, as these competitions are based on clear qualification rounds and verifiable outcomes. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 09:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All of those sources listed above are passing mentions of the 2029 tournament existence in articles mostly dedicated to the 2025 tournament or wider issues like Pakistan/India match hosting. None of them are [[WP:SIGCOV]. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please note that WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply here, as the event has been announced by reliable, verifiable sources; no speculation involved. And while WP:TOOSOON is a useful essay, it does not overrule WP:GNG and other guidelines when it comes to deletion criteria. Please focus on the notability of the event based on sources, rather than your preference as to when it should be added here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 19:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment to clarify my point in the way that the relister wants: it is way too soon for there to be significant coverage of this event, as the only known information is the host country (the announcement of which is WP:ROUTINE coverage). Therefore, it does not pass WP:GNG and is unlikely to do so for a few years, and thus should be deleted. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Aaron Dilworth

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A before search shows nothing to pass GNG or SPORTBASIC. Kline • talk • contribs 00:51, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shicorreus Jones

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A before search shows nothing that this article pass GNG or SPORTBASIC. Kline • talk • contribs 00:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jimmy Skinner (American football)

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Does not pass WP:GNG. The sources listed in the article do not provide WP:SIGCOV. I did find another source from the Chillicothe Gazette not listed in the article. However, even with that inclusion, I do not believe it would pass. It possibly has WP:OR, as well. Grahaml35 (talk) 14:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment there are several WP:SIGCOV about him in the Chillicothe Gazette, [1][2][3][4](P1/P2). He would however need SIGCOV from at least one other publication to pass WP:GNG. He was the starting QB for Marshall so there might be some coverage in a publication that covers the school if someone knows where to look. Alvaldi (talk) 21:12, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That would be the Herald-Dispatch, presumably, which will certainly have print coverage of Skinner from 2005 and 2006, but the earliest mentions online seem to be from 2008. I didn't remember Skinner, but since we know that his career was covered by the Herald-Dispatch (and likely other news sources no longer available over the internet), then he seems to pass the general notability guideline. I note that the question is whether the sources exist, not whether they are available over the internet, or cited in the article. And anyone who started as quarterback in any Marshall games will be discussed, not merely mentioned, in the Herald-Dispatch. So this would be a keep. P Aculeius (talk) 17:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As P Aculeius pointed out, the Herald-Dispatch isn't on newspapers.com. However, I was able to find the paper's archives and it looks like Skinner has plenty of coverage. So this passes GNG when combined with Alvaldi's sources above. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Buccaneers–Eagles rivalry

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Non-notable rivalry of two teams that have only played each other 24 times since 1977. Frankly I've never heard of this even being called a rivalry between these two teams. Draftification was objected to, and seems to be largely based on one article writer's opinion. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails GNG in terms of establishing a rivalry exists. The article clings to a CBS blog that lists this series among the top rivalries of the 2000s. While CBS is certainly a top authority on NFL coverage, this particular blog has only a couple paragraphs of content on this series and does little to describe the teams as “rivals” outside of the title. Even if this was significant coverage of the teams as rivals, which it is not, GNG would still not be met as it requires multiple sources. Frank Anchor 17:10, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete mainly because that CBS article is not very indicative of significant coverage, but this [5] provides a bit more to their early 2000s playoff matches, though I haven't seen any other sources as in-depth as this one. Conyo14 (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Basically every team is a rival with every other team. If all the article can do is outline a history of meet-ups and doesn't describe how the teams and fans actually view the rivalry to give it some substance, there is no reason for an article. Reywas92^Talk 20:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Just a random pairing of two NFL teams with no memorable games that I can recall (nor listed in the article) to spark a rivalry. There seem to be some other, equally questionable "rivalries" in the List of NFL rivalries, e.g. Colts–Jaguars rivalry. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:09, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Clarityfiend: There are certainly some questionable rivalry articles. With that said, you'd be unlikely to see a rivalry article between two division opponents deleted. I would however support the nominations of a number of other rivalry articles that aren't about division opponents. Hey man im josh (talk) 22:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There does actually seem to be some coverage of this, e.g. 'A lot of history' between Bucs and Eagles ("Not too long ago, the Eagles-Buccaneers rivalry was one of the fiercest non-divisional matchups in the NFL"), Tampa Bay looks back to when the rivalry was real, Bucs, Eagles know each other well: Rivalry forms as they've met six times since 1999, Eagles, Buccaneers renew rivalry at new stadium, Tampa Vs. Philadelphia Rivalry Has A Deep History. BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think my issue is that this is largely predicated on meeting in the playoffs for 3 straight years. That doesn't create a long term rivalry in my opinion, more of a flash in the pan of a rivalry instead. My perspective is that rivalry articles should be more long standing, instead of relying on what amounts primarily to a 3-season stretch that most people have forgotten about. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:25, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@BeanieFan11 - Here's some more 1, 2, 3, 4. KatoKungLee (talk) 22:33, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at these sources, source 1 appears to be from a SI fan site, #2 is from one of the teams (so not independent), #3 uses language like "used to be a rivalry" (so not anymore), and "will become a rivalry again" (so not right now), #4 is fine but quite local and #5 is similar but places even less of an emphasis of this being a real rivalry. I think a select merge regarding this rivalry at List of NFL rivalries#Tampa Bay Buccaneers vs. Philadelphia Eagles using some of the sources from Beanie and moving it to the historical rivalries of that article is the best outcome as the WP:NRIVALRY isn't met here as a standalone article with a lack of sustained coverage from non-local outlets. Let'srun (talk) 22:46, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:17, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Decker Reported

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Similar to a recent AFD on an NFL game, this article fails to have lasting coverage outside of the typical and routine reporting regarding a sporting event. Although definitely a unique penalty that had impacts to the overall season for both teams, this type of issue occurs every season. A year later, and this game is no longer discussed, which is reflected in the relevant sources in the article all existing within a few days of the game. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 21:25, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: I understand your perspective on where this comes from, but I disagree with your conclusion. While the references sourced in the article is from when the incident occurred, this is play is still relevant and discussed with the same amount of frequency as other games cited in the List of nicknamed NFL games and plays article, where I derived my inspiration to make this article from. I want to specifically highlight Madhouse in Maryland, Hail Murray, and the Colts Catastrophe as entries on that list that are regular season NFL games that have their own articles. I believe that Decker Reported has the same, if not more merit, to warrant it's own article. As to your point on how the game is no longer discussed, I would disagree with that point directly. This matchup and penalty has been in constant discussion leading up to, and after, the 2024 regular season matchup between the Cowboys and Lions, which many saw as a revenge game. And in many ways, it was a revenge game, with Taylor Decker reporting as an eligible receiver on multiple plays throughout the game. Also, this was a match where the Lions ran multiple trick plays on offense, further teasing the Cowboys. If you think it would give the article more merit to remain on Wikipedia, I can certainly add that in as another section, discussing how the results of Decker Reported effected the next game between the Lions and Cowboys. Plainawesome (talk) 23:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

While I respect your right to disagree and vote how you see fit, I wanted to note that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to keep an article.

The Lions also run trick plays almost every game now, such as the fake trip last week. We've had linemen throwing passes and multiple linemen trying to catch or run as well, such as Penei's run which won the angry run of the week, or Skipper's recent touchdown reception. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:56, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Anyone who knows me knows I'm a big Detroit Lions fan and homer, and I work on content related to them whenever I can. If I felt there was a valid reason to keep this, I would certainly argue that, but I agree with Gonzo on this one. Delete as failing to have lasting coverage / impact. Hey man im josh (talk) 23:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Out of curiosity, since this is only the second Wikipedia article I have ever created (first for a sport); what constitutes lasting coverage/impact? If I were to include links to news articles talking about the penalty from this current NFL season, would that count? What if there were news articles, not from local/home team sources, but national sources discussing the penalty that are recent? I'm just trying to figure out how infamous a play has to be before it warrants it's own article. Plainawesome (talk) 00:31, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Plainawesome, this is somewhat a struggle and is subjective. Playoff games tend to have more inherent notability in them, so if something interesting happens, then that tends to get talked about more. Its often hard to write about a game when it hasn't been that long, unless its notability is plainly obvious in the moment. Think Fail Mary for an example. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 13:52, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. In addition, if kept, the title is not appropriate because nothing in the article establishes that any source refers to "Decker Reported" as the name of this game. Rlendog (talk) 03:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A relevant guideline is WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE:
Although notability is not temporary, meaning that coverage does not need to be ongoing for notability to be established, a burst or spike of news reports does not automatically make an incident notable. Events that are only covered in sources published during or immediately after an event, without further analysis or discussion, are likely not suitable for an encyclopedia article
—Bagumba (talk) 02:28, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per Gonzo fan2007's original rationale. No one is even talking about this game anymore. Also would support deleting this article per Bagumba's comment. CharlesEditor23 (talk) 18:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per ~~BeanieFan~~ and Bagumba's comment. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 22:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PCN02WPS: BeanieFan hasn't participated in this discussion. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ha, sorry about that. Meant to say Gonzo fan. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 19:18, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Cbl62 (talk) 22:16, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: While there was a bunch of coverage right after this play, it wasn't WP:SUSTAINED, and the WP:NEVENT isn't met here. Let'srun (talk) 22:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Editors worried about how this sets a poor precedent are referred to the previous two AfDs. See you all again in 2031. asilvering (talk) 00:29, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alabama–Penn State football rivalry

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Matchup has only been played 15 times ever; only twice this millennium _pbp 22:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify a concern above, the crux of this article isn't really GNG, it's more UNDUE, and the general idea that "does this topic warrant a stand-alone article?" I think there's a clear consensus that we DON'T need an article about every pair of teams that have played 15 times; even though each of those are likely to pass GNG because every football game played in the past few decades has a few newspaper or online articles written about it. Also relevant is NOTINHERITED; just because the Alabama and Penn State football teams are notable doesn't mean they meeting is too. _pbp 20:52, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The sources posted in this discussion establish that the rivalry is notable outside of the teams individual notabilities as they discuss the rivalry itself in detail. The wast majority of team matchups in sports are not considered anything special and do not get significant coverage written about them. This one does. Alvaldi (talk) 21:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep nomination does not address any policy rationale as to why this should be deleted, a very similar problem that this article's second AfD had six years ago. That AfD was a unanimous keep, as was the first one, and I'm not sure that anything has changed to overturn the prior overwhelming consensus. The fact that the teams have played "only twice this millennium" is entirely irrelevant to the notability of the article as notability is not temporary. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 23:31, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. The thing that has changed since the first two AfDs is that we have tightened standards on what constitutes a true rivalry. If we are simply judging whether is a true "rivalry", I think the answer is "no". At the prior AfD, I noted: "Personally, I don't this is a 'rivalry' at all. There's no geographic tie, no regularity of play or scheduling, no fan base hatred, etc." I voted to "keep" because I have long believed that historically significant series can be notable ever where they are not true rivalries. My view on that point has not gained a lot of traction. Cbl62 (talk) 23:54, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Outside of the single decade (1981-90) when Alabama and Penn State played regular-season games every year, they have only met five times (1959, 1975, 1979, 2010, and 2011). I think this is really stretching the bounds of what can be considered either a rivalry or a notable series. With the expanded playoffs, it will become increasingly common for major programs like these to meet more frequently. This is probably setting a precedent to include yet more "non-rivalry" rivalries just because there are a couple of pregame articles hyping to the series as a rivalry. Cbl62 (talk) 00:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If several independent and reliable sources significantly cover series of matchups between two teams as a rivalry over a significant period of time, as is the case here, then I see no problem having an article on said rivalry. Alvaldi (talk) 09:59, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But what you're describing is mostly ROUTINE coverage aside from the choice to use the word "rivalry" _pbp 17:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep like PCN02WPS said, there is no policy reason stated to delete. Just because the rivalry hasn't been played recently doesn't mean GNG hasn't been passed. Article has sources from local newspapers, non-local newspapers, ESPN, AP. Esb5415 (talk) (C) 00:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just because GNG has been passed doesn't necessarily merit a STAND-ALONE article _pbp 20:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a really difficult one, because sources say it's a rivalry, but it's also not a rivalry. Instead they had one famous bowl game followed by a 10 years when they played each other where both teams were really good, leading some sportswriters to call it a rivalry, but many others such as [6], [7] and [8], [9] don't. I think the question really is - can a group of games between two teams be notable for reasons other than being a rivalry? Because this might get this article to a keep and move, but I'm not sure what a better title would be. If not, ~~delete~~. SportingFlyer T·C 00:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to "Alabama–Penn State football series" per the arguments above and below. SportingFlyer T·C 19:25, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Plenty of teams have played each other many times over the years, but that doesn't make it a rivalry. There is nothing of substance in this article that indicates why anyone should care about the fact that they've played each other, just a list of match-ups, indicating it's WP:SYNTH – no indication it's "historically significant." Reywas92^Talk 03:02, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:GNG. Personal opinions of individual editors on whether this should be called a rivalry or not are irrelevant as there are several significant sources that speak of this as a rivalry, including Bama, PSU rivalry back after 20 years, Alabama, Penn State Renew Rivalry Of Respect, Intersectional rivalries becoming distant and Alabama-PSU rivalry has produced classic moments Alvaldi (talk) 09:49, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there's also many sources which don't. That's exactly the problem with this - "rivalry" gets thrown around a lot in American sports journalism without actually referring to what would be considered an actual rivalry. SportingFlyer T·C 14:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Several significant sources discussing their matchups clearly describe this as a rivalry and it easily passes WP:GNG. We do not ignore such significant coverage just because we can find some sources that don't mention the word rivalry in them. And it may not be much of a rivalry today but notability is not temporary. Alvaldi (talk) 15:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GNG doesn't automatically mean STAND-ALONE article. Just because the Alabama and Penn State football teams are notable doesn't mean they meeting is too _pbp 20:56, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But the history of their meetings, i.e. their rivalry, has received enough significant coverage to pass WP:GNG and thus is suitable for a stand-alone article. Alvaldi (talk) 21:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per @Alvaldi's argument. In my opinion, the rivalry has enough coverage to demand its own page. Madeleine (talk) 20:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The notables games are enough for it's own page. But I can agree with the original poster, maybe a renaming of the article, might help..Yeahimaboss413 (talk) 13:53, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Though several of the games in the 1980's were big at the time, the series as a whole and its legacy are not notable enough to warrant a standalone article. There is also little if any, intensity between the two schools and their fanbases, thus it does not constitute a rivalry in a traditional sense as well. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 17:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The sourcing in the article suggests that this is a competitive series but not a full blown rivalry. Fails WP:NRIVALRY. Let'srun (talk) 15:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NRIVALRY states that Sports rivalries are not presumed notable. Articles on sports rivalries, such as Yankees–Red Sox rivalry, should satisfy the general notability guideline. This rivalry passes WP:GNG, and therefore WP:NRIVALRY, with several significant sources from multiple independent publications covering it and specifically calling it a rivalry. (Ironically, one of them states "Kids these days. They just don't have the respect for the Alabama/Penn State rivalry.") It might not be much of a rivalry today, but it was one for about two decades and notability is not temporary. Alvaldi (talk) 16:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Much of that "significant coverage" are WP:ROUTINE sources directly from when the 2010 and 2011 games took places. A competitive series out of respect to strengthen each of their schedules and boost TV revenue, is NOT a rivalry. I agree with Purplebackpack89 that the topic of this article is more WP:UNDUE. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 14:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Routine pre-game reports do not have this kind of coverage. And regarding WP:UNDUE, it states Keep in mind that, in determining proper weight, we consider a viewpoint's prevalence in reliable sources, not its prevalence among Wikipedia editors or the general public. Several significant sources from multiple publications, written decades apart, state that this is/was a rivalry which trumps whatever personal opinions individual editors have on the matter. Alvaldi (talk) 16:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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~~Delete~~Keep per this neat little essay I created that shows how sources need to be interpreted for the usage of significant coverage. Saying rivalry ≠ is a rivalry. Along with a source analysis below (includes Alvaldi's sources). Further sources provided by Alvaldi provide significant coverage of the rivalry to sustain notability:

Source analysis by User:Conyo14

Source assessment by User:Conyo14
[10]	WP:ROUTINE head-to-head records N
[11]	WP:ROUTINE mostly recounts head-to-head record prior to a championship game. N
[12]	Briefly mentions the two teams and when it does, it uses quotes directly from the personnel, which would be WP:PRIMARY. N
[13]	WP:ROUTINE, uses mostly quotes/interviews, and head-to-head records. N
[14]]	WP:ROUTINE coverage before a game. N
[15]	WP:PRIMARY, student-ran publication via Alabama. N
[16]	This one at least has partial coverage over the history, but it mostly goes into how the teams are stacked, not into specifics of the rivalry. ?
[17]	This is what we are looking for. Y
[18]	WP:ROUTINE coverage of a game. N
[19]	WP:ROUTINE coverage of a game. N
[20]]	404 page ?

Comment Here is my assessment of the sources. Alvaldi (talk) 11:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table prepared by User:Alvaldi
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.winsipedia.com/alabama/vs/penn-state		The source is a database website	Database listing	✘ No
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=jj1WAAAAIBAJ&pg=6936,2556663&dq=alabama+penn+state+football+rivalry&hl=en		Association Press article.	Has several paragraphs on all their previous matchups in the context of it being a rivalry.	✔ Yes
https://www.newspapers.com/article/birmingham-post-herald-intersectional-ri/161352244/		Source was a reputable newspaper.	~ Has a few paragraphs on on their matchups in the context of it being one of the great intersectional football rivalries.	~ Partial
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-anniston-star-bama-psu-rivalry-back/161352228/		Source is a reputable newspaper.	Goes into detail on their history, way beyond what could be called routine.	✔ Yes
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-patriot-news-renewal-of-storied-seri/161352845/		Source is a reputable newspaper.	Goes into detail on their history, way beyond what could be called routine.	✔ Yes
https://thecrimsonwhite.com/2559/sports/penn-state-rivalry-goes-far-back/	Student newspaper of the University of Alabama.	Has one several collegiate journalism awards.	Has several paragraphs on the rivalry.	✘ No
https://www.espn.com/college-football/notebook?page=gamedayKickoff112&_slug_=week-2-preview		ESPN article.	Goes into detail on their history, way beyond what could be called routine.	✔ Yes
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/2010/09/09/alabama-psu-rivalry-has-produced-classic-moments/		Association Press article.	Goes into detail on their history, way beyond what could be called routine.	✔ Yes
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FB8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EJoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7076%2C2919090		Source is a reputable newspaper.	A match report used to source a single match in the article.	✘ No
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=FB8fAAAAIBAJ&sjid=EJoEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7076%2C2919090		Source is a reputable newspaper.	A match report used to source a single match from 1976 in the article.	✘ No
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=K04aAAAAIBAJ&dq=1979%20sugar%20bowl&pg=6494%2C234561		Source is a reputable newspaper.	Dead link. Likely just a match report, used to source a single match from 1979 in the article.	? Unknown
https://www.newspapers.com/article/ledger-enquirer-penn-state-bama-series-c/161867523/ https://www.newspapers.com/article/ledger-enquirer-tide-has-won-3-straight/161867537/		Source is a reputable newspaper.	Goes into detail on their history, way beyond what could be called routine.	✔ Yes
https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-lions-tide-series-has/161867726/		Source is a reputable newspaper.	A single article dedicated to their history.	✔ Yesspo
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-atlanta-constitution-tide-lions-end/161867968/		Source is a reputable newspaper.	A single article dedicated to their history and the perceived end of the rivalry following their 1990 game.	✔ Yes
https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-a-decade-of-highs-lo/161868031/ https://www.newspapers.com/article/centre-daily-times-penn-state-vs-alabam/161868042/		Source is a reputable newspaper.	An article dedicated to their history and the perceived end of the rivalry following their 1990 game. Includes the line "When you start talking about the great rivalries in college football you've got to put Penn State-Alabama series on the short list."	✔ Yes
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

To clarify, I found additional significant coverage in these sources Penn State-Bama series closes out (part 2), Lions-Tide series has produced great memories, Tide, Lions end an era. Saturday's game marks end of 10-year rivalry for Bama, Penn State and A decade of highs, lows to go out with the Tide (part 2). Alvaldi (talk) 12:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:HEY!! Conyo14 (talk) 19:31, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be fine if we wanted to rename this to "series." I absolutely maintain this is not a rivalry in the traditional sense, regardless of what the sources say. SportingFlyer T·C 17:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You have every right to your opinion regarding that. However, our personal viewpoints cannot overwrite what the sources say and for better or worse the significant ones state that it is/was a rivalry that was active from around 1979 to 1990. Alvaldi (talk) 18:08, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think the very problem with this is we don't have a precise definition of what a rivalry is, though. Most of the articles you posted refer to it as a series more than a rivalry. SportingFlyer T·C 06:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd be ok with "series". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 06:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really sure what your definition of rivalry is, but the sources tend to have consensus on what it is. Conyo14 (talk) 07:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. It's often used as hyperbole by American football sportswriters to describe a series of games between teams. This is clearer when you look at some NFL rivalry AfDs. SportingFlyer T·C 19:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep passes GNG per Alvaldi. It doesn't appear to be much of a rivalry anymore but they played each other for ten straight years in some big-high ranked games. Perhaps this source said it best: Kids these days. They just don't have the respect for the Alabama/Penn State rivalry. Maybe the lead could be changed to "was" an American college football rivalry... ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 13:39, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In my heart, I share User:SportingFlyer's view that this is not a true rivalry, but I also acknowledge that my heart is not a reliable source. As User:Alvaldi points out, there are multiple reliable sources spanning multiple years treating this as a "rivalry". Accordingly, and though my heart disagrees, my brain tells me this should be kept. Cbl62 (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Would you have any objection to renaming this to a "series," as that does appear to be more common than "rivalry" when you look at articles that have been written about the games these teams played? SportingFlyer T·C 22:13, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I would support that. Cbl62 (talk) 13:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'm on a fence regarding that since it was descriped multiple times as one of the major intersectional rivalries in college football.

"Alabama's annual game against Penn State, which has become one of the major intersectional rivalries in college in football, may not be played after 1990." (Association Press, 10 September 1987)

"The Alabama-Penn State game 'has become one of the nation's top intersectional rivalries. No other school in the Southeastern Conference plays a game of such national preminence annually. Neither do many schools around the nation." (Bill Lumpkin, Birmingham Post-Herald, 9 September 1987)

"Since 1981 the two schools have met yearly in what has been one of college football's great intersectional rivalries, one which is devoid of animosity and cloaked in mutual respect. (Ron Bracken, Centre Daily Times, 28 October 1989)

"The series has been one of the nation's most exciting intersectional rivalries." (I.J. Rosenberg, The Atlanta Constitution, 24 October 1990)

Alvaldi (talk) 20:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Cbl62@SportingFlyer On second thought, the established period of their rivalry was from their 1979 game and through their 1990 game and the article covers their history before and after that. I would support renaming this to the Alabama–Penn State football series as long as it is clearly stated in the article that it was described as one of the nations top intersectional rivalries and it will still include the Category:College football rivalries in the United States. Alvaldi (talk) 10:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think something like "Several sportswriters described 10-year series in the 1980s as one of the top intersectional rivalries in college football." would work just fine. SportingFlyer T·C 17:28, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: as a result of recent victories, Penn State will play Notre Dame for the 20th time next week. They've played Notre Dame more than Alabama but no article exists for Notre Dame-Penn State. It's ridiculous that Alabama-Penn State has an article when many more-frequently-played games do not. Heck, Oregon State and Washington State have played 100 times, and continued to play following the Pac-12 breakup, but no article _pbp 16:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Purplebackpack89 Please read WP:OTHERSTUFF. Alvaldi (talk) 16:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Alvaldi: Please read WP:BLUDGEON. You're doing it to anybody who wants to delete. _pbp 16:57, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Purplebackpack89 I'm sorry if you find that I am bludgeoning the discussion as I am merely trying to have a civil discussion about this proposed deletion. I have not replied to everyone that has !voted to delete and I have tried to have my rebuttals based on Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. For me this is a clear cut WP:GNG pass and it would set an extremely bad precedent for sports related articles if it would be deleted despite of that. Alvaldi (talk) 17:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Would support creating Oregon State–Washington State football series; that series is notable per significant coverage in reliable sources. And perhaps title it "rivalry" depending on what sources say. PK-WIKI (talk) 17:23, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Bad precedent? If this is kept, I fear this will set the precedent that any football series of mostly ROUTINE coverage that happens to use the word "rivalry" will get kept. Ridiculous. _pbp 17:00, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The AP describing this as "Alabama's annual game against Penn State, which has become one of the major intersectional rivalries in college football" is the kind of sourcing an article like this needs, and it's here. Not routine coverage.

Would also support move to Alabama–Penn State football series as an ATD and as a precedent for more "series" articles that are perhaps not "true rivalries". PK-WIKI (talk) 17:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of NFL quarterbacks by teams beaten

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Does not pass WP:NLIST from my perspective, and comes across as WP:Fancruft/trivia. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Lists of people and American football. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:02, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article literally copies off one source to present the information, and this is usually only a headline superlative rather than something really followed closely. Nate • (chatter) 17:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes NLIST. [21][22][23][24][25] ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Seems to be a copy of a single source, and is arbitrarily cut off at "all teams but four". PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 18:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Clarityfiend's merge proposal also sounds very reasonable to me, so I'd be cool with either. No opinion on how much the list should be trimmed if we ultimately go with merge. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 20:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep if renamed List of NFL quarterbacks who have beaten every team in the league and trimmed. (Also remove the criterion "beaten every team he faced at least once", which is just made up.) It satisfies NLIST, but only for every team, not every team but n (n=1, 2, 3, etc.). This is a rare achievement which requires a QB to go to another team and then beat his former team. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:16, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Alternatively merge to List of NFL individual records#Quarterback wins, but just the half dozen QBs who have done it all. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I'd support a trim and merge. Hey man im josh (talk) 19:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I personally don't believe the list should be trimmed to just those six players. The sources discuss a lot more players than just those six. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:29, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to trim list, it should include the six who beat all teams plus the qbs who stayed with one team throughout their career and beat all other teams (Bradshaw, Elway, ect.) Spparky (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the sources that support this addition? I don't see any. (The closest I can find is that Mahomes is the youngest to beat all 31 other teams, and that's a different kettle of fish.) Otherwise, this is just an unwarranted stretching of the boundary. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trim and merge to List of NFL individual records#Quarterback wins. Specifically, I would add a bullet for those retired QBs who have beaten all but one team if they spent their entire career with one team. This would remove Ken Stabler, Alex Smith and Kerry Collins because they played for multiple teams. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Kerry Collins is listed in three of the sources above though. Here is an excerpt: "Oddly, one other quarterback, Kerry Collins, beat 31 teams, but the team Collins never beat, the Dolphins, wasn’t one of the teams he played for. Collins actually started against the Dolphins four times while playing for four different teams, but lost all four games." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I find it more notable that a QB spent their entire career with one team and beat every other team in the league (31/31) than being traded and still not beating every team in the league (31/32). Collins wouldn't be on the list of "all but one" if he had never been traded since he never beat the Dolphins. In the end, that will be a decision to be made by the closing administrator. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 20:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You may find it more WP:interesting, but that's not what Wikipedia is based on. Sources! Where are your sources? Clarityfiend (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If sources were the only criterion, then we would have hundreds of times more articles than we do now. I was featured in my hometown newspapers covering my Eagle Scout project, so should I have a Wikipedia article? The answer is no, because I do not meet WP:GNG despite the fact I can provide sources. At what point do we stop adding names to these lists? Your argument, to me, seems more along the lines of WP:ILIKEIT than putting forward any policy-based or guideline-based argument. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 19:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your example, an article in a local paper about a local person/event, does not qualifiy as a Wikipedial source. You are confusing verifiability with notability. [Pet peeve alert: Why do you and others keep typing "::*:", "*::", etc., when the asterisk does nothing unless it is at the end?] Clarityfiend (talk) 09:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Clarityfiend: You asked about my sources, so I provided a hypothetical to show that I can find sources for someone not notable (I specifically said I do not meet GNG). In reference to the pet peeve, I'm not typing the colons and asterisks. That is Wikipedia's "Reply" function probably just adding a colon to the end of whatever indenting text already exists. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 23:06, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sports writers have written about QBs with wins against all teams as a group (I'm stretching just to include the two who beat the 28 then-existing teams), as demonstrated by WikiOriginal-9. None have written about all but one, with or without weird qualifiers/conditions, as a group (sorry, Collins). Clarityfiend (talk) 04:26, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This has enough discussion in secondary sources to allow us to have an article on it. The issues above all seem like editing issues, not notability issues. SportingFlyer T·C 20:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Trim and merge per Clarityfiend. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 22:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:FANCRUFT WP:NOTSTATS. Excessive niche statscruft sourced by a single outlet. Ajf773 (talk) 22:22, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The sourcing currently in the article is an editing issue, there are plenty of different sources above. SportingFlyer T·C 04:45, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Four of five of WikiOriginal-9's sources above discuss these "32-win" QBs as a group, so NLIST is satisfied. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For the record, there is only one source currently in the article, and it's a database website, but this is clearly notable. The editing just needs to be cleaned up. Other sources include [26] [27] SportingFlyer T·C 04:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The souces provided in this discussion, particularly the CBS Sports, NBC Sports, and Sporting News articles each cover the list as a grouping for WP:NLIST to be met. Let'srun (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The strongest arguments thus far are for a merger or a trimmed version, but I'm simply not seeing consensus on any of the options. Given the specific options proposed, it would be useful for future !voters to engage with them specifically.
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I frankly don't think "Quarterback beat all teams but three" (or four) merits mention in an encyclopedia at all. I would merge everything above two into quarterback records. However, given the size of List of NFL individual records, and the key role played by quarterbacks in the game, I would split out a separate List of NFL quarterback records. BD2412 T 20:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That is an arbitrary cutoff not supported by the sportswriters. Guys who are at 31 are mentioned, if at all, merely in passing and not as a group. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Clarityfiend: It is certainly less arbitrary than the current situation, with up to four teams listed. For reasons set forth in the discussion above, it makes sense to list those who have only failed to defeat one team because that will include those who spent their entire career with the one team that was therefore not defeated. It is no burden on the encyclopedia to list those who have defeated all but two teams just the same. BD2412 T 18:51, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete In my view, the fact that there is a sports news article every time someone newly meets one of this article's criteria isn't enough to establish WP:NLIST; they all just fall under WP:ROUTINE. Obscure statistics frequently appear in ROUTINE references; we can still take an intellectual assessment of the arbitrariness or cruftiness of the list and decide that it's not worthy of encyclopedic record. Aspirex (talk) 06:30, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ROUTINE is a guideline connected to events, which doesn't apply here. Let'srun (talk) 20:51, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Wedding announcements, sports scores, crime logs, and other items that tend to get an exemption from newsworthiness discussions should be considered routine." Coverage about statistical marks being broken in the moment can very much be interpreted as falling under sports scores routine. Aspirex (talk) 21:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You're kidding, right? How can quarterback win records ever be construed as sports scores? Clarityfiend (talk) 22:29, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also want to make sure to note this is clearly, clearly not WP:ROUTINE. It's a list of statistics which have been covered by many different outlets. SportingFlyer T·C 01:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I still do not see a consensus here. My instinct is to go with the Merge suggestion but there are quite a few editors arguing strongly for a Keep so I'm relisting this discussion.
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Comment Amongst the differing views for this AfD, I see the rationale for deletion and keep being solid. However, that happens with WP:TRIVIA. This is trivia that may or may not cross the GNG threshold. I do not think the merge target really works since the record for Most NFL teams defeated at least once, career is already there, but at the same time deleting for the sake of cruft or lack of GNG may work. That being said, perhaps a no consensus may be what is determined. I would rather this article be trimmed, and written to fit some other obscure stats that probably have GNG. Conyo14 (talk) 23:39, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Simply put, there are enough articles on it from a variety of different sources to make it eligible for a stand-alone article. If there needs to be a merge or editorial discussion, that can happen elsewhere. SportingFlyer T·C 00:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Flynn Field

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Redirect to Dakota State Trojans. No evidence of notability for this NAIA-level baseball field. JTtheOG (talk) 02:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Dakota State Trojans as per above. No WP:SIGCOV to maintain as a separate article. QEnigma talk 08:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Dakota State Trojans baseball per above. I feel the baseball article is a better target than the less specific Dakota State Trojans page that describes its entire athletic program, but either target is fine. Frank Anchor 17:15, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Orduspor (women's basketball)

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Although the source on the Turkish article is good https://www.hurriyet.com.tr/sporarena/orduspor-oyunculari-sehri-terk-etti-40624285 there is only one so it is not enough to show notability Chidgk1 (talk) 07:21, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. No reason why sources wouldn't exist. [28] etc. Geschichte (talk) 11:55, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Played three seasons in the Turkish top-tier KBSL, one of the best professional women's basketball leagues in the world, making the playoffs twice. Competed twice in EuroCup Women. Cleaned up the article, added some sources. There is plenty more in the Turkish media for anyone interested in improving the article further. Alvaldi (talk) 13:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Traveen Mathew

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Non-notable cricketer, who fails WP:GNG. Has only played in T10 cricket, not any FC, List A or T20 competition which can often help increase significant coverage. This article was moved to draftspace and then moved back despite minimal insufficient improvements, which is why this AFD is necessary. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep He has played two First Class matches, 12 List A matches and four T20 matches. He also represented Sri Lanka at the Under-19s Asian Cup. I have added more information and sources including two from The Papare which focus heavily on him. Lookslikely (Talk 18:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2019 European Cricket League

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Don't need separate season articles for this minor cricket tournament, all of the reasons for merge and redirecting 2023 and 2024 seasons (2023 AFD and 2024 AFD) apply to the 2019 and 2022 seasons as well. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as both do have WP:SIGCOV from a number of international sources for them. They also fulfil WP:GNG therefore should not be deleted. Furthermore the rationales for the other seasons being deleted are not relevant to these two as 2024's ruling was on the grounds of no RS's (which the two here have loads of) and 2023's was on the grounds of a lack of SIGCOV (which both here have several demonstratively) and for being poorly source (see above for why that's not relevant here as both are well sourced). As an aside as well, AFD is the wrong forum to be proposing a merge. That's what WP:PM is for. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 16:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Louis Balmain

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Still fails NATH. Jay Cubby 09:04, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. As well as outlining an unusually successful brief cricket career for the period, when complete team innings seldom reached three figures, the article provides a sound basis and incentive for future expansion. It is informative and interesting as far as it goes, and it is as worst harmless. Sammyrice (talk) 09:58, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Lack of significant coverage. A 1-match career is notable only in the most exceptional of cases. Geschichte (talk) 16:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the length of career cannot be relied upon to provide an indication of the notability of the career of a sportsperson. This has been discussed a number of times, both in relation to cricket and other sports, and formed at least some of the discussion around the revision to NSPORTS a couple of years ago. A variety of quantifiable limits were proposed at various times and non were deemed to be acceptable. Balmain's notability rests with whether to not he is notable, nothing else.

In this case, there is clearly some notability and some sources exist which tell us things about him. I suspect that there are more – I'm not certain where McCarron has found him to be a soldier from, but that would indicate that other sources can be presumed to exist. Are those sources enough to show notability? Not sure – there are other passing references to him in PapersPast, including some nice little quotes, but the limited amount of time he appears to have spent in New Zealand means that there aren't many. Fwiw, I declined the initial PROD, partly because I wasn't awfully happy that the nomination had been made seriously, partly because I wasn't sure that a search of PapersPast had taken place, and partly because I wanted to work on List of Nelson representative cricketers, which now exists. That provides an obvious ATD, allowing the article to be redirected to there if it's considered not to be notable. Much of the prose content of the article could be the basis for a note applied to Balmain' list entry, rather like the notes added at List of Otago representative cricketers, for example. Certainly redirection would appear to be the worst case outcome. I can see merit in keep; I don't see a reason to delete given the ATD. Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of Nelson representative cricketers. I found this article interesting and searched for some time to try and find content to bolster it but alas without success. Purely on a policy basis it probably fails the significant coverage test but I would prefer to follow @Blue Square Thing in their suggestion of redirecting with the prose content added as a note on the target page.

Shrug02 (talk) 22:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sadiq Kirmani

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Non-notable cricketer; Played only two LA matches across his whole career (no FC or international matches played), and none in this list of domestic tournaments maintained by WikiProject Cricket. AmateurHi$torian (talk) 13:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete Non-notable plus both references are to do with his father and notability is not inherited.
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Sahara Cup

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources; fails WP:GNG. I tried PROD, but Bilby keeps removing the tag, adding what they claim to be citations but they provide no URLs; either way even with those refs, the article still fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:59, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This was a major international competition, featuring two of the main cricketing nations, (and almost including a third with the West Indies almost competing) that happened over multiple years, and was well covered in the news when it was happening between 1996 and 1999 (when it ended due to a well-covered series of issues that stemmed from the start of the Kargil war in 1999). I'm using print sources, as the event occured over 25 years ago, but I'm not having any difficulty coming up with references. I'll keep adding sources, though, in the hope that it helps. - Bilby (talk) 09:32, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Speedy keep. This competition, featuring 2–3 ICC Full Members, is more than notable. It has widespread press coverage, and had in its time, its own fair share of controversy, such as in 1997 when Inzamam tried to beat up a fan with his bat! AA (talk) 13:17, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This article meet WP:GNG in WP:NSPORT (and WP:CRIN / WP:OFFCRIC) criteria. An ODI cricket tournament featuring full memebers of the ICC is considered notable. ESPNcricinfo article ([29]) and statistics ([30] and [31]). Few of the many sources available online: [32], [33], [34], [35], [36], [37] and [38]. A simple web search will reveal numerous additional news articles. QEnigma talk 15:40, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Lots of significant coverage available for this event featuring two full ICC members. Shrug02 (talk) 16:23, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep For the two countries involved, this competition was as notable as The Ashes. Contributor892z (talk) 18:05, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2029 ICC Champions Trophy

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This is rather supposed to be a redirect but checking the history will tell you that there are editors who keeps reverting the restoration of the redirect, the very last restoration of redirect was done by me and mine was just reverted by the same user. This is way WP:TOOSOON to qualify for a standalone page right now. Fails WP:GNG, etc. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:14, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: WP:TOOSOON; Draftify at least. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as WP:TOOSOON. I oppose moving to draftspace, as draftspace is not an indefinite holding area, and it will be 2+ years (probably longer) until more information is known. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:05, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify: I don’t see WP:TOOSOON is a valid reason for deletion in this instance. According to WP:FUTURE, notable and highly likely future events should be included (such as 2032 Summer Olympics). Given that the venue has already been confirmed, the article could simply be updated or moved after the 2025 edition concludes or closer to that time and so I strongly oppose deletion.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 09:14, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:TOOSOON. Way down in the future for year 2029 and Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, nor is it a collection of unverifiable content. RangersRus (talk) 04:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. Shrug02 (talk) 00:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

how WP:CRYSTAL applies here when the event is already announced? FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:54, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I am not sure if WP:TOOSOON applies to such a big event. We already have a page for the 2030 FIFA World Cup and 2034 FIFA World Cup. It is about coverage from independent sources at least for the announcement of the event, and maybe the ongoing preparations. I can see that 3 out of the 4 sources are from the ICC but the event is mentioned in Times of India, SportStar, Free Press Journal, India Express, Sky, The Nation, The Sporting News, and Hindustan Times. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:52, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@FuzzyMagma: because, it's only the year and hosts that have been confirmed. Qualification and Format haven't been announced yet and could change, thus they are just speculations so, WP:CRYSTAL. Unlike, 2034 FIFA World Cup which at least has more confirmed stuffs rather than speculations. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:12, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A wrong understanding of WP:CRYSTAL it seems. There is no requirement that the qualification process or format for future events must be announced in advance for the article to be standalone. Speculation is unfounded, as these competitions are based on clear qualification rounds and verifiable outcomes. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 09:04, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All of those sources listed above are passing mentions of the 2029 tournament existence in articles mostly dedicated to the 2025 tournament or wider issues like Pakistan/India match hosting. None of them are [[WP:SIGCOV]. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please note that WP:CRYSTAL doesn't apply here, as the event has been announced by reliable, verifiable sources; no speculation involved. And while WP:TOOSOON is a useful essay, it does not overrule WP:GNG and other guidelines when it comes to deletion criteria. Please focus on the notability of the event based on sources, rather than your preference as to when it should be added here.
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Comment to clarify my point in the way that the relister wants: it is way too soon for there to be significant coverage of this event, as the only known information is the host country (the announcement of which is WP:ROUTINE coverage). Therefore, it does not pass WP:GNG and is unlikely to do so for a few years, and thus should be deleted. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Caribbean Twenty20

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Not enough coverage on independent reliable sources for any of these articles; all of them fail WP:GNG. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Also, nominated the season articles. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 13:14, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep all. Major T20 domestic competition of an ICC Full Member. AA (talk) 21:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all per AA. St Anselm (talk) 14:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There are no policy-based opinions. Discussion should focus on whether good sources are available (WP:GNG.
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Merge the season articles into the parent one. Event itself is noteworthy but with the relative scarcity of coverage it seems like all the necessary information could be combined into one place. I would be happy to take on the task if that is the decision.

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Comment: lots of news coverage in fact: [39][40][41] etc. St Anselm (talk) 01:05, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still not seeing a policy-based consensus.
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Keep -- moderate -- I think the sources are there... either in the article or per StAnselm. Alternatively, would support a merger into Champions League Twenty20 as-proffered by Shrug02. MWFwiki (talk) 02:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Johl Younger

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Fails GNG and SPORTBASIC. Canary757 (talk) 17:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jenson Kendrick

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Fails GNG and SPORTBASIC, No notable success. Canary757 (talk) 17:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bobby Brown (footballer, born 1887)

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Stub article about a little known soccer player with only three sources that don't make him seem particularly noteworthy. I also did some digging outside and I still didn't find much about him. The helper5667 (talk) 00:36, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Roman Vovk

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Similar to other Chernihiv players, I can't find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this player after several searches in both English and Ukrainian. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems as though this player also fails WP:GNG. Anwegmann (talk) 22:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Thomas Petrovski

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Almost identical to Draft:Thomas Petrovski which was declined due to a lack of sources. Creator has a clear COI, since they also created Paul Petrovski, and they appear to have a particular interest in people with this surname. CycloneYoris ^talk! 21:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - promo article, atrociously sourced, COI issues. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 22:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi - can you please provide further details regarding it being atrociously sourced’? Tp767 (talk) 00:08, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Directory listings or other primary sources, don't help show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 02:22, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi CycloneYoris - I have added sources in the Reference Tab. Is this not sufficient enough? They are from official sporting organisations. Tp767 (talk) 00:07, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - several sections completely unreferenced and fails WP:SPORTBASIC. Footballer is a semi-pro. Every single reference provided thus far is a database source like Transfermarkt, Sofascore, Flashscore and Tuttocampo with zero prose coverage. I was unable to find any news articles on Thomas Petrovski in a WP:BEFORE search. The article is filled with WP:OR from top to bottom and the creator has failed to respond to requests to disclose WP:UPE and/or WP:COI. Strong delete. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 00:43, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No sourcing found in Google or Gnews, what's now in the article is only directory listings or primary sources. Non-notable player. Oaktree b (talk) 02:21, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saber Hassanpour

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this footballer. JTtheOG (talk) 21:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hayato Nishinoue

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Falls short of WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Only played 2 minutes in Japan's third league, which is very far from notable. Article has been expanded but I don't believe the coverage meets WP:SIGCOV, which I will outline here. Source assessment:

The longest, but I believe it is not secondary. It has wording like ""During my university days, I worked part-time"
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Primary source
Primary source
Very short, not significant
Literally one sentence, not significant
Don't think this is very significant either, describes the game on an amateur level
Not about him, WP:PASSING
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Database
Database Geschichte (talk) 15:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mathis Touré

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Non-notable footballer and former child actor. Fails WP:GNG/WP:NSPORT with maybe only a single piece of WP:SIGCOV, a blog/commentary piece in a Corsican paper. The rest is routine transfer coverage. Fails WP:NACTOR with only one role that could be described as significant (the coverage of it is all trivial mentions). Please ping me if I missed anything. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- soft delete The person doesn't appear notable. Agree with nominators notices.
Taksoh17 (talk) 14:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimír Balát

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Balát played 114 minutes of professional league before transferring to lower leagues and disappearing. Other than two dead references provided, which are routine announcements, I cannot find enough significant coverage for this article to meet WP:GNG. The closest latter case is Nový čas. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saheb (1981 film)

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Fails WP:NFILM. 🇧🇩 Zayan^{Mr Bangladesh71} (Talk)

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Keep: Even as it is, the film meets WP:NFIC (important role played by a notable person and a major part of their career) -Mushy Yank. 12:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC) [added 4 sources, including a paper focusing substantially on the film][reply]
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Dominik Smékal

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Does not pass WP:GNG. The sources mainly refer to his hat trick, which helped his third-league Hlučín eliminate Viktoria Plzeň from the Czech Cup. He played only 8 games at the professional league level, 6 in 2017 and 2 in 2021. FromCzech (talk) 10:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to lack of WP:SIRS. The source from Blesk is an interview. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. In addition to his number of games played, we can look at the number of minutes played during those games, which were only 228. Geschichte (talk) 15:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abhijith Kurungodan

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A before search shows nothing to pass GNG or SPORTBASIC. Kline • talk • contribs 00:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shaanxi Northwest Youth F.C.

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No evidence of notability for this amateur football club. JTtheOG (talk) 23:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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- Delete -- (moderate) -- per nominator. Also, not a reason for deletion, but; article mentions that it "secured a first-place finish in the 2024 FA Cup qualifiers ranking." Yet the 2024 Chinese FA Cup does not mention the team? Odd. MWFwiki (talk) 00:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chongqing Chunlei F.C.

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No evidence of independent notability for this amateur football club. JTtheOG (talk) 23:24, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- (moderate) -- Even less notability than Shaanxi NW Youth FC which I also voted to delete... so, consistency, and all that.

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:20, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kota Minami

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Fails WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG, 10 games in J2 League and lack of secondary, significant and independent sources. The Japanese Wikipedia has one article about being a school coach, which isn't enough for SPORTCRIT in my opinion. Creator is blocked indefinitely. Geschichte (talk) 20:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 15:36, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990)

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Per AfD on the same individual. CNC (talk) 19:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per the other AfD. Nothing much found other than trivial mentions in match reports and database sources. Since both AfDs are regarding the same person, if one is deemed non-notable, then so must the other. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:26, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 21:14, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE, same as other AfD. Snowycats (talk) 04:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oleksandr Roshchynskyi

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Several searches in both English and Ukrainian turned up nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV, including, of course, the sources included in the article itself. Anwegmann (talk) 04:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:FOOTYN). Most of the information available online are from sports statistics sites, like which has been referenced in the article from Soccerway ([42]). Plays for a club in the country's 3rd tier. Only 2 appearances and 95 minutes play time in the 2nd tier competition before the club was relegated. WP:RS and WP:IS not available for WP:V. QEnigma talk 08:38, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NFOOTY doesn't exist anymore! ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:34, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Didn't find any coverage to be considered notable per WP:GNG. CNC (talk) 22:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vladyslav Shkolnyi

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Similar to several other players from this team, and created by the same user, nothing I can find, in English or Ukrainian, comes close to satisfying WP:SIGCOV standards. Anwegmann (talk) 03:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not a notable footballer per WP:GNG and no coverage found. CNC (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Artur Bybik

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Similar to two other player articles recently nominated, nothing I can find on this player, in English or Ukrainian, comes close to WP:SIGCOV. In like manner, the references in article fall well short of that standard. Anwegmann (talk) 03:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of notability per WP:GNG. CNC (talk) 22:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vitaliy Mentey

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Searching in Ukrainian is somewhat difficult, but after several searches in English and Ukrainian, I have found nothing on this player that approaches WP:SIGCOV. None of the references in the articles meet the standard, either. Curious to see what others find. As far as I can tell, this article reaches level of an AfD discussion. Anwegmann (talk) 02:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of notability per WP:GNG. CNC (talk) 22:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jack Stevens (footballer, born 2000)

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No indication of passing WP:GNG. All I found were transactional announcements (1) and match reports (2). JTtheOG (talk) 19:36, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is a confusing search given the goalkeeper (born 1997) with the same name, who has definitely more coverage. However for the subject in question I also didn't find any sigcov. CNC (talk) 21:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP As jack stevens born (2000) is also a player of decent coverage amongst national league fans. MoKhan123 (talk) 09:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are you able to provide evidence of in-depth coverage? JTtheOG (talk) 09:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nomination. By the way, not all match reports follow the same news format. Although those are normally stories of the match as the name suggests, some of them may focus exclusively on a specific footballer and describes them in-depth. This one is such an example for the latter case, thus can be potential SIGCOV. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:32, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:50, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Danis Zubairov

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Has played 9 minutes in the second tier of Russia but with no evidence of a WP:GNG pass. The only non-database source that I could find was this, which is a trivial mention. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:35, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No evidence of significant coverage for GNG. CNC (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete – Very weak to establish notability considering how many minutes he has played so far. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:49, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Marko Spasojević

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Played one top flight season in Serbia before disappearing into the lower divisions. No evidence of WP:GNG. The best that I can find is this futsal blog post, which may or may not even be the same person. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:21, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No evidence of significant coverage for GNG. CNC (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG on WP:FOOTYN criteria. QEnigma talk 12:03, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:41, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nenad Milunović

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Whilst he did have 2 Super League appearances, he spent most of his career as an amateur and there is no sign of significant coverage for WP:GNG. I found Aleksinac, which looks to be the best source, but it's basically just a quote from him and nothing more. Sources like this and this show that he does still continue to play, albeit at a very low level and with no in-depth coverage. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:55, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of significant coverage for GNG. CNC (talk) 17:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Tinsdale

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Hull City U21 player, yet to make debut for a senior team. I only found WP:ROUTINE coverage[43] and passing mention,[44] no indiciation of WP:SIGCOV for WP:GNG. Suggest Draftify or Delete until notability is established. CNC (talk) 12:45, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:01, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 19:39, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Petrovski

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Non-notable businessman. Cited sources do not mention the subject at all, not even in passing. Article was speedy deleted under A7, and was immediately recreated by author. Could also qualify under WP:G11 though the article isn't blatantly promotional. Possible COI as well. CycloneYoris ^talk! 05:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Paul Petrovski is the founder of PCFS Logistics Pty Ltd and is also the major sponsor of Rockdale Ilinden FC. He has also had a amateur football career hence the addition of his football stats. 58.105.162.94 (talk) 05:54, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Petrovski is the founder of PCFS Logistics Pty Ltd and is also the major sponsor of Rockdale Ilinden FC. He has also had a amateur football career hence the addition of his football stats. Tp767 (talk) 05:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I've already deleted this once under A7, which clearly still applies—there's nothing to indicate any notability in Wikipedia terms. Playing non-league football and being the director of a company that's itself so obscure it doesn't even have a Wikipedia page clearly doesn't qualify. ‑ Iridescent 06:04, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails NBIO and SIGCOV. No indoependent coverage in reliable sources. Also, since this is a resurrected speedy delete, then this should be deleted and salted. ---Steve Quinn (talk) 06:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:48, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - did a big dive into football-specific sources and couldn't find a single mention Waterfelt (talk) 00:28, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - clearly no evidence of notability. Bduke (talk) 02:17, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete per nom. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 22:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - couldn't find anything outside of social media posts Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:34, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elifenur Karabulut

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Turkish female footballer. A WP:BEFORE search only reveals database entries and nothing in depth to establish notability. John B123 (talk) 09:48, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - all I can find is this, which looks AI generated and doesn't contain any WP:SIGCOV in any case. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:38, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:10, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Found no coverage, hence no sources. If sigcov is found please also ping me. CNC (talk) 11:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per above. Svartner (talk) 12:08, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:FOOTYN) criteria. No sources provided in the article. User generated articles available online. No content to WP:V. QEnigma talk 12:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NFOOTY doesn't exist anymore, and user-generated sites should never be used as sources on Wikipedia. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:35, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Wilkinson (footballer, born 1995)

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Fails GNG. Extremely short pro career. Article has. routine or primary sources. Yorkshire Live has an article which might be okay but alone doesn't establish notability. Beware that he has a famous comedian namesake who does a football podcast. Canary757 (talk) 18:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2015–16 Huddersfield Town A.F.C. season which is his sole claim to fame. Giant Snowman 20:07, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per above and no SIGCOV that I could find. CNC (talk) 21:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per GiantSnowman. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:28, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2015–16 Huddersfield Town A.F.C. season: per GiantSnowman. CNC (talk) 22:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryo Nakamura (footballer, born 1989)

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Light years away from meeting WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. Geschichte (talk) 14:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:SPORTCRIT / WP:FOOTYN) criteria. Material not available for WP:V. QEnigma talk 15:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No significant coverage what so ever. CNC (talk) 17:19, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP, but merge with corrections — this article seems like a duplication of the already-existing Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990) and hence a merge into the existing article may be more appropriate, once the errors have been corrected. It seems like the author of the article has made a spelling error, instead of “Reo” (the correct first name) they have put “Ryo” as the name of the subject and (for some reason) changed their DoB from 1990 to 1989.

The article's own source shows the name of the subject as “Reo”, not “Ryo” (as the author has put) and the correct DoB of the subject as 1990, not 1989 (as the author has put). The reason the others (CC: @GiantSnowman, @CommunityNotesContributor, @QEnigma) could not verify/find sources was because the author wrote the incorrect information on the Wikipedia article. The career statistics section, especially, I feel could be merged into the already existing article.

~~~~ Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 19:01, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well spotted - but where is the significant coverage of this person? Giant Snowman 19:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For Reo Nakamura (correct name), I was able to find some through this Google search and this one — 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 just to name a few.

At the moment, it appears the player plays for Ezra F.C., in the Pepsi Lao League 1.

~~~~ Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 19:30, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, your sources consist of match reports, database profiles and primary sources. Nothing come close to significant and independent coverage of the player. Geschichte (talk) 22:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your opinion, would you say the player qualifies as being notable under WP:FOOTYN? Nyxion³⁰³ 💬 Talk 11:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FOOTYN is an essay, not a formal Wikipedia policy or guideline, and has no relevance in AfD's. The subject must pass WP:GNG with multiple significant sources from publications independent of the subject. Alvaldi (talk) 13:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Geschichte: Of the seven sources, only the fifth one signals significant coverage on Nakamura as it tells about his personal life. However, one SIGCOV is not enough; the whole GNG needs multiple instead. Transfermarkt is obviously unnecessary to be added to Wikipedia articles as it is claimed unreliable. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:42, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - as this person and Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990) are the same, we may need to consider sending Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990) to AfD if this AfD concludes as 'delete'. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have done this already: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reo Nakamura (footballer, born 1990). CNC (talk) 19:51, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryo Nakamura (footballer, born 1996)

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Lacks significant and independent coverage to meet WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. None of the sources in ja:wiki are significant or secondary. Geschichte (talk) 14:57, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:SPORTCRIT / WP:FOOTYN). QEnigma talk 15:16, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:49, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not seeing that the subject meets GNG CNC (talk) 17:21, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ziya Taner

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Tagged 7 years ago as unsourced. I checked a couple of the sources on the Turkish article but not sure they are enough - for example they don’t support the first sentence here saying he was born in Macedonia Chidgk1 (talk) 13:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment If I were to judge purely based on their managerial career – having managed Beşiktaş J.K., one of the three major Turkish football clubs and having led Ankaragücü to a Turkish Cup win – I'd say there's no doubt they are notable. Robby.is.on (talk) 13:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per Robby, this guy is clearly notable, just needs improvement and offline, Turkish language sources. WP:COMMONSENSE needed. Giant Snowman 16:47, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes you would think with his career that good sources would exist somewhere. Perhaps native speakers of Turkish are not very interested in editing Wikipedia. I would not be surprised, as I find Turkish Wikipedia generally unfriendly and frustrating. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:41, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Burke (footballer, born 1994)

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Fails GNG with 1 database source. No notable pro career. Canary757 (talk) 11:53, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:SPORTCRIT / WP:FOOTYN). No notable professional career. Statistics available online fail to provide a consensus ([45] and [46]). No WP:RS and WP:IS for WP:V. QEnigma talk 14:25, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Among all the James Burke's out there, I found an Irish footballer manager, but nothing for the English footballer. CNC (talk) 17:33, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Max Flick

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this American soccer player. Contested PROD. JTtheOG (talk) 04:42, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:SPORTCRIT / WP:FOOTYN) criteria. Football statistics websites show ([47]) 3,445 minutes in 71 matches as career figures. USL 1 is the highest division this player has participated in with 3,408 minutes and 67 matches. USL 1 is a division 3 football league (Professional football). No WP:V material available. QEnigma talk 12:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All-time Charleston Battery roster

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Subject lacks notability under WP:LISTN due to a lack of sourcing. PROD was removed with the claim that sources exist, however none have been added to the article and I could not find any in a BEFORE, so bringing this to AfD. Let'srun (talk) 03:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: per nom ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 03:26, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:04, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Malachi Sharpe

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Article was previously deleted and since then there doesn't appear to be anymore significant coverage for GNG. CNC (talk) 19:32, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. But being from United's youth sectors and called up by the Scotland national team, he tends to establish WP:GNG soon. Svartner (talk) 20:45, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Playing for the U21 team would require lots of coverage, there just isn't enough here. Sources 4 and 5 sound like SEO sites, the rest appear to be blogs or primary sources. I don't find articles about this individual either. Oaktree b (talk) 01:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey,

I understand that the article about Malachi Sharpe may currently lack sufficient coverage to meet Wikipedia’s notability standards. Before the page is potentially deleted, I wanted to kindly ask if you might have any suggestions or tips on how it could be improved or expanded to better meet those criteria.

Thank you in advance for your time and consideration. I appreciate any guidance you can provide.

Kind regards, Editor 11927 (talk) 06:28, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not elaborating in nomination with relevant links. Please see WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT (in particular WP:SPORTBASIC) for establishing notability for the subject. The problem is generally a lack of independent significant coverage from secondary sources, noting that United In Focus would come under fan-site and therefore fails to contribute to this. CNC (talk) 11:15, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@CommunityNotesContributor Is United In Focus a simple fan-site though? Even if it focuses solely on United, this looks to be alot more than just a simple fan blog. It has a rather detailed editorial Policy and significant number of experienced journalists working for them. Alvaldi (talk) 20:20, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's subjective, I agree with editorial oversight it's beyond a traditional fan site. At the same time it's nothing more than a website for fans, and also lacks the ability to be truly independent from subject. CNC (talk) 21:10, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Generally, sport websites publish articles that appeal to the audience that they are targeting. Football sites appeal to the average football fan. This site seems to just narrow it down to the average Manchester United football fan. If the site is not run by the player/club/league etc. then it is independent from the subject. Alvaldi (talk) 14:11, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I'd categorise FC fan sites differently than football-specific sites like Goal.com or OneFootball (when not sync feed). It's not a coincidence that United In Focus is United specific, instead it's intentional. That said, given it's owned by GTV Media Group, it could well be considered independent in this case. CNC (talk) 15:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with sites that are team specific rather than league or football specific as long as they are professionaly run with editorial oversight. I would also think it would open up a pandora's box to reject such sites because with the same argument someone could state that Goal.com is not independent of football related subjects because it only covers football specific stories. All that said, I'm not arguing that the subject is notable, just that significant articles from United in Focus should go towards WP:GNG. Sharpe would still need significant articles from other publications over some extended period of time. Alvaldi (talk) 15:57, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick reply and the helpful info! I’ll look into finding more reliable sources to improve the notability of the page. Appreciate your help!

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:02, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject doesn't appear to have the requisite WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Notability is not inherited from his cousin. May just be a bit WP:TOOSOON. Let'srun (talk) 16:44, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify Subject has already gained significant coverage in United in Focus which I have argued above is a professionaly run site with editorial oversight and is independent of the subject. He does however lack significant coverage from other publications so draftifying seems to be the best course of action considering he likely will gain such coverage in the near future. Alvaldi (talk) 16:01, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FC Olimpia Rotunda

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This club never played at national level, above the 4th division in Romania and also is dissolved now. Poor sources, low importance. Rhinen (talk) 15:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Non-notable club, no reliable secondary sources found. Also fails WP:NPOV, it seems ("had an amazing debut season"). Easy delete in my eyes. Jordano^5³ 18:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Romanian fifth tier club, no corresponding article on other wikis and no sources for WP:V. Svartner (talk) 20:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:00, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Charbel Shamoon

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WP:SPORTBASIC says achieved success in a major international competition at the highest level and I think it is WP:TOOSOON to say that is so for this obviously promising player. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Player is notable at international level and is a regular starter for a team in the highest level of Australian football which itself is a notable league. Keep, is not WP:TOOSOON Nzs9 (talk) 15:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – There appears to be WP:SIGCOV with the sources already mentionedin the article. Svartner (talk) 20:41, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Multiple sources mentioned in the article and there is plenty of detail. Charbel also has started nearly every game in the Australian top flight this season, has played for the Iraq U20 team and has been called up for a training camp for the Australian U23 team as well. Ausfootballfan (talk) 21:06, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources already present which appear to show notability. Giant Snowman 11:59, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Myles Bright

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Non notable, fails GNG, routine and database references only. Minimal pro career. Canary757 (talk) 13:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:40, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 11:58, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Non-notable sixth tier player, similar to rest of squad. Former professional footballer, now semi-professional. Only found this coverage from three years ago, which is a long way away from satisfying WP:SIGCOV. CNC (talk) 11:47, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I found passing mention and routine coverage, but nothing significant per WP:GNG. CNC (talk) 22:58, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Daniil Davydenko

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I’ve done several searches, and nothing approaching WP:SIGCOV comes up, including in Ukrainian. I might be missing something, but I haven’t found anything and none of the sources cited in the article come close to satisfying this standard. Anwegmann (talk) 22:24, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I found Cheline, which is WP:RS but not SIGCOV. Unless anything better can be found, I agree with deletion. I suspect that a lot of the other Chernihiv footballer articles are non-notable too and perhaps some of them need looking at. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Spiderone: I agree with your suspicions about other Chernihiv players' articles. I have started to make my way through them and have nominated several. I'm sure this isn't the end of these nominations. Anwegmann (talk) 03:08, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:39, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Ukrainian first league player lacks SIGCOV, no record of playing this season either. CNC (talk) 12:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wong Weng Hei

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There doesn't appear to be any WP:SIGCOV for WP:NSPORT. CNC (talk) 18:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - all citations are stats pages and mentions, nothing significant. Shinadamina (talk) 05:14, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 07:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – The article is well written, but it lacks WP:SIGCOV. I change my vote in case of new sources. Svartner (talk) 20:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per the lack of significant coverage in reliable sources. I was able to find only passing mentions like this and this. Wong Weng Hei (traditional Chinese: 黃詠晞; simplified Chinese: 黄咏晞) does not meet Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 09:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per sources found by Cunard. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:26, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jan Kozel

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Lack of significant coverage. Article relies mainly or fully on primary sources, plus what appears to be original reseach. I found https://prazsky.denik.cz/fotbal_region/kozel-nasel-sve-stesti-v-anglii.html but little else. A semi-pro footballer who has coached at youth level. C 679 12:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. FromCzech (talk) 12:33, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fail to meet WP:GNG (WP:NSPORT / WP:SPORTCRIT / WP:NFOOTY) criteria. QEnigma talk 13:34, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 15:42, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for lack of significant news coverage.Shinadamina (talk) 05:11, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source mentioned IS significant coverage if you try to translate it, but the whole WP:GNG requires many of them instead of one. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – The source from Deník looks like a good indication of significant coverage, but sure, the whole WP:GNG requires multiple WP:SIRS instead of one. Also to QEnigma, NFOOTY is no longer a valid reason to keep due to NSPORTS2022. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:16, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Istanbul Professional League 1

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Tagged almost a decade ago as unsourced and article does not exist in Turkish so probably not notable Chidgk1 (talk) 07:26, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to History of Turkish football as possible search term. Giant Snowman 11:12, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Diyarbakır Atatürk Stadium

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Tagged as uncited in 2009 and no longer exists. Is this a notable part of local history? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:38, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect – Per GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 20:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. This is bordering on a procedural keep: the arguments to keep are not the strongest, but every argument to delete is from a sockpuppet or highly suspicious IP, and as such the community does not benefit from keeping this open. Vanamonde93 (talk) 02:04, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rui Borges (footballer, born 1973)

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A clear WP:A7. There are no references; same happens in ptwiki. Always played for 2nd tier clubs and has no news article mentioning his name. Reference 1 is over 10 years old and from a local newspaper where he is mentioned as an "Assistant manager" of an, at the time, League 3 side. Not even mentioned (Ctrl+F) on the 2nd reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikisempra (talk • contribs)

Delete: No sign of notability through examination of ~~reliable~~ sources. — 01:45, 27 December 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8a0:67f0:5200:a89a:a85d:5582:5eb4 (talk • contribs)
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Keep. Very difficult to search, even in conjunction with the clubs he has been associated with. The reason is that "the other Rui Borges" also had spells in Trofense, Famalicão, Académico de Viseu and up until a few days ago they were both employed by Vitória. But it is possible to do a WP:BEFORE with hits around 2000. [48] [49] is not overwhelming but it's a start and I know there are more. The nomination statement is highly inaccurate. Geschichte (talk) 20:47, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - no comment on notability but BDFutbol confirms that he had 221 appearances in the top tier of Portugal, which is quite a lot. This means that the nominator's statement of "Always played for 2nd tier clubs" is false. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:16, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not false. Second tier doesn't mean Second Division. You are welcome to read Wikipedia's policy on the notability of players which clearly states: Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources. No user has yet addressed the problem, there are no references apart from Diary de Noticías, which mentions Borges as an "assistant manager". Many proeminent Professors, even Ivy League ones, have seen their pages deleted for less. As I stated, you are welcome to find references. Wikisempra (talk) 23:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep He may not have been one of Portugal's greatest players, but he is still a relevant athlete for having played in major clubs and scored goals. He was instrumental in C.D. Trofense promotion in 2008 and has had a long career with significant involvement in Primeira Liga. The user are filing request to delete the article due to conflicts with the other Rui Borges, as he have attempted to do on PTWIKI. Vazafirst (talk) 08:50, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the player's relevance on a Portuguese third division side, none of the editors address the point. As per the guidelines, the article meets WP:A7. E.g.: Many Portuguese/Spanish actors have had their pages deleted despite significant coverage. Apart from the Diary of Notícias there are no references. The "Vizela Diary" meets criteria for WP:QUESTIONABLE. Wikisempra (talk) 23:13, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources/arguments above which show notability. Giant Snowman 11:10, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Significant career and from the sources presented in the discussion establish WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 20:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete No user addresses the point, there are no references of the player nor ways to prove notability. Wikisempra (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Geschichte presented new sources. Svartner (talk) 03:04, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The closer probably notices that the user advocating for "strong delete" is none other than the nominator. Furthermore, the nominator is currently blocked for sockpuppetry. I suggest that this nomination gets thrown out rather swiftly, though we should also labour to find even more sources. Geschichte (talk) 21:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what the creator has against this specific player, but it's clearly not a reason that can be supported by policy. Svartner (talk) 21:46, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No sources. Joana (talk) 23:27, 29 December 2024 (UTC) (sock strike)[reply]
Delete: It is still too early for me to have an article that should be deleted. Tgvarrt (talk) 23:43, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sydney Pulver

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I am unable to find any WP:SIGCOV from third-party sources for this American soccer player. JTtheOG (talk) 19:29, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players as possible search term. Giant Snowman 09:41, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify - It's well sourced, it just may be Wikipedia: Too soon. RossEvans19 23:33, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - there are enough secondary-party sources involved, from The Daily Evergreen, The Spokesman-Review, and Lewiston Morning Tribune. [50][51][52][53] Whether that's enough sigcov in combination per WP:BASIC is another story, but certainly no need for third-party sources here per GNG. There is otherwise coverage beyond WP:ROUTINE, so per WP:SPORTBASIC it's likely there are enough sources for notability, even if not a guarantee. If it's a case of too soon then WP:DRAFTIFY would be a better option here. CNC (talk) 10:00, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Third-party sources are a requirement for GNG... JoelleJay (talk) 03:26, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. The Daily Evergreen is not independent and so does not count. The Spokesman-Review and Lewiston Morning Tribune articles are brief, routine blurbs about her signing lightly refactored (as in, would absolutely fail our close-paraphrasing rules) from the same press release, and additionally are far from the SPORTSCRIT #5 requirement, let alone the SUSTAINED SIGCOV in multiple IRS sources required by GNG. I see zero reason to draftify considering her contract ended in 2022 and there is no evidence she continues to play professionally. JoelleJay (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, per above I mixed up third-party with tertiary, ie party and person. Agree the student newspaper isn't independent here, and given your reasoning that the subject hasn't been playing since 2022, best to redirect instead. CNC (talk) 09:52, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of San Diego Wave FC players : Agree with JoelleJay that this subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV from multiple independent, reliable sources needed to meet the WP:GNG. Redirect as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 15:09, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as arguments are divided between Draftifying or Redirection.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:17, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify, per Evans Reader of Information (talk) 15:13, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Capitals–Rangers rivalry

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A WP:BEFORE yielded only their multiple series matchups as well as the Tom Wilson fight from 2021. There is also Bleacher Report article that may or not be reliable. No mention of a rivalry nor team series overview. Note that I am the original author of this article, but since there have been several additions to this article, I am proceeding with this route. If not delete, then trim and merge to List of NHL rivalries#New York Rangers vs. Washington Capitals Conyo14 (talk) 19:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Alexander Medvedev (ice hockey)

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Unscourced BLP for a player who never played in a major league and does not meet guidelines at WP:SPORTBASIC. Kimikel (talk) 20:45, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I couldn't find any sourcing on him aside from prospect sites. Conyo14 (talk) 21:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Possible keep. His Eurohockey profile indicates he played 25 years professionally. Surely there are sources in foreign languages? For example: Polish Wikipedia, Russian Wikipedia, Ukrainian Wikipedia Searching in Russian for hockey-related articles is a bit difficult due to the businessman Alexander Medvedev's involvement in hockey. Alexander Medvedev (ice hockey) also coached the U18 national team for Iceland. Did anyone search in a foreign language? It's rather frustrating that nobody has mentioned what was searched. Providing more details is helpful for working together. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 14:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I tried searching in English articles as well as Icelandic. I did a basic search on the Belarusian Telegraph Agency and it yielded nothing. Plus the other wikis don't have sources that attribute to a WP:BLP article anyways. Conyo14 (talk) 19:44, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hakaraia Wilson

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Fails GNG, most of the sources used are just reporting he died. The Te Ao Maori News article is mostly quotes from the subject so its Primary information. Tapology seems to be some fighting online database, user generated? TheLoyalOrder (talk) 23:54, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: While a young death is certainly sad, this source says "a New Zealand-based MMA fighter who was ranked in the top 1,000 for the Asia Pacific region" [54]... Not a notable fighter, certainly would not get an article if he was still alive. Low level competitor. Oaktree b (talk) 00:54, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment: Not all quotes talk about his death, Tea A0 interviewed him in 2020, so he meets Wikipedia's citation guidelines and is supported by verifiable references. If there are any changes that require special attention, they can be improved. I believe that the article follows Wikipedia's policies, including neutrality, verification and reliable research, and the sportsman was among the future promises of MMA Bellator which is an indication of the progress. Link Sherdog quote official martial arts organizations. Tgvarrt (talk) 05:07, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable. His death is tragic but it's 99.9% of his coverage. Low level (to quote Oaktree) with only seven professional fights with a middling record. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 06:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment:Wilson would have a little more than 7 wins than Raul Rosas Jr. or Yahir Reyes but I see the performance of Wilson alone is not very bad, he died very early, he was almost there to enter the UFC, he was already in the MMA Bellator, Nor should we detract from his fights in Muay Thai, I repeat Wilson's performance was not very mediocre, he just needs a little to be successful because please transferred to the draft. Tgvarrt (talk) 06:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  The majority of sources therein are either reports of his death or fight cards. Not significant coverage. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 15:22, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I have seen a lot of secondary reliable source with a significant coverage. There are numerous articles from reputable sources provided now that constitute WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG and WP:NSPORT. Also the mention of appearing in Sherdog is included in WP:NMMA. Tgvarrt (talk) 13:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete : No SIGCOV of the subject as per the nomination.Gauravs 51 (talk)

Delete WP:NMMA Sherdog comment is mis-applied as Wilson was not in the top-10 for his weight class. No significant coverage other than of his death. My condolences to his family but this is not notable. Simonm223 (talk) 16:09, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Delete - fails WP:SIGCOV. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 21:30, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non Notable martial artist, fails WP:MMA. The subject was not qualifying for an article and does not require one after his death. Accidental death, or other media event may be interesting enough to reporters and news editors to justify coverage, but this will not always translate into sufficient notability for a Wikipedia article. WP:EVENTCRITERIA, WP:SINGLEEVENT

Joshua Hagen

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Cannot find independent WP:SIGCOV for this Canadian judoka to pass WP:NSPORT; all sources appear to be trivial mentions or non-independent bios/interviews. Being a CBC commentator on the Olympics does not on its own generate notability. If there are sources I missed in my WP:BEFORE please ping me. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there. The article's sources demonstrate that Hagen is both a provincial and territorial-level director and coach (currently for the province of Saskatchewan, previously for the Northwest Territories), and an official commentator for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation during the past two Olympic Games. Canada is a federal country and Hagen's roles in Saskatchewan and the NWTs are as the chief administrator of those federal units on behalf of Judo Canada, the national regulator. Accordingly, while Hagen's own sporting career does not make him notable, I think that he meets the administrative / coaching notability requirements for sport (director and head coach of two provincial or territorial programs), and he also has a public profile as the national broadcaster's (only) official judo commentator for the Olympics. CanadianJudoka (talk) 18:43, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Has a public profile as a commentator is not a criterion for notability, and there is no SNG under NSPORT either for for martial arts coaches or for provincial-level team coaches, so he will need to pass WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple independent, reliable, secondary sources. That's what's missing. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Formula Grand Prix wins by Sebastian Vettel

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Duplication of the List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Sebastian Vettel article, which is currently in the process of being deleted as well. All my warmest wishes, ItsKesha (talk) 09:38, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete – It's actually the other way around, this article was created two minutes before the other one (presumably the editor in question realised the error in the title but did not know how to move the article). Regardless, I'm sure there's a pragmatic interpretation of CSD § G4 or § A10 that would allow this to be cleared up quickly enough. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 13:12, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per 5225C above. Regardless of the resolution at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Formula One Grand Prix wins by Sebastian Vettel, this was obviously created by mistake. MSport1005 (talk) 16:47, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete - created in error Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 22:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete as fast as a F1 car. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 23:37, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Alex Lobb

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A before search shows nothing to pass GNG or SPORTBASIC. Kline • talk • contribs 01:18, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ana Candiotto

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Disputed PROD. Fails notability criteria. Shrug02 (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – I see WP:SIGCOV in the sources already presented (Globoesporte, Gazeta Esportiva, O Tempo), the player herself is not very famous but meets the criteria for the article. A quick Google search also turns up a lot of content. Svartner (talk) 21:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is coverage of both her singles and doubles career on several major Brazilian sports portals: [55] [56] [57] Svartner (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Svartner. Article needs a lot of work on subjective language. There have been several PRODS and AI generated tags put on its creator's other articles this week.Canary757 (talk) 08:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I accept coverage has now been found but I stand by the point that she is non-notable and the article itself is like a fan page full of Peacocking and puff and very little by way of actual facts. Shrug02 (talk) 10:47, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've made a tentative start to address the peacock tag Shrug02, will do a thorough one later.Canary757 (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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List of Canadian Grand Slam tennis champions

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I don't think that this WP:CROSSCAT is notable. There is a lack of evidence to suggest that the phenomenon of Canadians winning Grand Slam tennis tournaments has received WP:SIGCOV or that these tennis players have been covered significantly as a group in WP:RS. "List of [x nationality] Grand Slam tennis champions" is not inherently notable. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or draft. Even if this was notable, in what way is this empty article with red links even helpful? Gonnym (talk) 12:34, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this page should not be deleted since it has information with reliable sources, it is well structured and it is not the only one of its kind.

In addition, this page is concentrating in one place information that would be spread across other Wikipedia pages, which makes searching for it longer than it should be

Link to the another Wikipedia article of this kind: https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lista_de_tenistas_brasileiros_campe%C3%B5es_de_torneios_do_Grand_Slam

Haddad Maia fan (talk) 19:11, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that a similar article exists in Portuguese Wikipedia should not be used as a reason for keeping this one. Doing so would be circular reasoning. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:22, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Furthermore, the page provides a comprehensive overview of Canadian tennis players who have secured Grand Slam titles across various categories, including professional singles and doubles, as well as junior competitions. This compilation highlights Canada’s achievements in the tennis world, showcasing players like Bianca Andreescu, who won the US Open women’s singles title in 2019, and Gabriela Dabrowski, a multiple Grand Slam champion in doubles and mixed doubles.

The page is well-structured, categorizing achievements by tournament type and player gender, which facilitates easy navigation and understanding. It also includes references to credible sources, enhancing its reliability.

Given the significance of these accomplishments in Canadian sports history, this page serves as a valuable resource for those interested in the nation’s contributions to tennis. It not only celebrates individual athletes but also reflects the growth and development of tennis in Canada.

In conclusion, the “List of Canadian Grand Slam tennis champions” Wikipedia page is a pertinent and informative entry that merits its place on the platform. It offers valuable insights into Canada’s tennis milestones and serves as a useful reference for enthusiasts and researchers alike and that is why it should be maintained. Haddad Maia fan (talk) 20:06, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This response looks like it was written by ChatGPT. Per WP:SOAPBOX, Wikipedia's job is not to showcase, highlight or celebrate anything. We should only have articles on topics that are already covered in reliable sources outside of Wikipedia. Where is your example of multiple reliable sources discussing these Canadian tennis players as a group? All I can see is a synthesis of different news articles, created by you, on different Grand Slam wins by different Canadian players but not a single source linking them together. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:30, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that all (or at least a vast majority) of this user's edits are AI written. They have already been warned of this once on their user page. And quite a few of their tennis articles that I had recently PRODed also seem to be written by AI. Adamtt9 (talk) 20:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know we can't forbid the use of AI on Wikipedia but it should be discouraged where possible. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:37, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Taking "keep" to its logical conclusion, there should be a Wikipedia article like this for every country that has had a tennis grand slam winner: List of American Grand Slam tennis champions, List of Botwwanan Grand Slam tennis champions, List of Danish Grand Slam tennis champions. It's a nationalistic but not a notable topic. Ira Leviton (talk) 21:44, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: per nom Asteramellus (talk) 23:39, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete As has been stated if there is an article for Canadian Grand Slam tennis champions then there has to be one for every country and that is wholly unnecessary particularly with tennis being an individual sport.
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Kheyrollah Ghahramani

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Fails notability, he probably won some youth medals but achieved nothing in major events in senior level. The article claims he won two silver at 2012 and 2013 Asian Senior Championship but that's not correct and he never even made it to those competitions. Sports2021 (talk) 01:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Not sure how much help it is, but this source suggests he did in fact have a silver at the Asian championships and a bronze at world championship. [58] Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Unfortunately this source fails to mention these medals are in cadet level. this is his resume in UWW database. as I said he never won anything special in senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 10:32, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 05:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I agree with Sports2021, lacks notable accomplishments, in my opinion the subject fails notability. Lekkha Moun (talk) 08:32, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I see no significant coverage and no achievements that would meet any SNG. Success in youth events is not sufficient for WP notability. Papaursa (talk) 04:18, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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